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HETRO-BASHING
Published on November 21, 2008 By Moderateman In Current Events

It's time for someone preferably a Christian to charge a gay with a hate crime in California, them being targeted just because of their sexual preference {heterosexual}. Many gays seem to think that it's ok to assualt heterosexuals just because the gays are protected under the law, well it's time to see if justice swings both ways. {pun intended} The last protest by Christians which consisted of praying for gays and singing was meant by violence by groups of gays, assault is the crime. Even a touch against a person without their consent is considered assualt and the gays went much further than that, throwing hot coffee and other items, trying to take off the garments of some of the Christians while the police did nothing to protect them. well A brave Christian needs to go to the district attorney office with taped evidence of the assualt and demand the gay be arrested for the crime, with the added Hate crime tacked on.

What say you my friends?


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on Nov 24, 2008

Elie, don't you know that a "protected" group can't do any wrong? They're just standing up for their rights, not breaking the law.

Yeh it seems that way , gays can bash, hit, do anything they want to because they are suppossed to be weak and sissified.

on Nov 24, 2008

gays can bash, hit, do anything they want to because they are suppossed to be weak and sissified.

I disagree with that statement.  Though I know you said it to make a point. 

I do agree that if they, the gay persons involved, assaulted someone, then yes, they should be held for that offense.  It is after all a free county and anyone can protest what they don't like, without violence being involved hopefully!  While I do support gay rights, as I do any individual's rights, I do not support violence unless in  self-protectionf.  They might not have liked the protests, and it is understandable that they would get angry but resorting to physical harm is wrong.

on Nov 24, 2008

 

could you please explain more?

Certainly my friend!

If you consider the two excerpts that were presented by you and KFC, one might conclude that Jesus was a hypocrite at best or worse a schizophrenic.

If you consider KFC's reference to Matt 5 one might conclude that Christians are to become a doormat to the world if you adhere to the literal text vs. considering the importance of the context here. 

As KFC mentions Jesus is clearly referencing the Torah.  However I disagree with her understanding of the context of Torah.

These laws are not saying that if someone happens slaps you on the right cheek to say, "Thank you sir, may I have another."

Let's consider the passage in Matt 5.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39 “But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 “If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41 “Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.

All four of these verses are under the context of legal retribution in the Torah.  Please refer to the following Torah passages: Ex 21:12-36, Lev 24:17-23, Deut 19:14-21.

The context that I see from the Torah references is that once I have 'wronged' someone (even if they are evil) that I am to give him measure for measure (the 'value' of eye for an eye to which the Rabbis agree vs the literal).  Jesus is saying not to just do measure for measure but to go beyond that to show true repentance for the 'offence' to someone by inflicting more of a loss on oneself.

This supports the notion of the context of what you provided:

There is no law about protecting ones self after turning the cheek one time.

You are right there is NO law about protecting yourself rather on the contrary.  There are several laws that support the contrary!

even Christ blew his stack at the money changers at the temple. so if Christ can blow it once so can a Christian.

Christ blew his stack at the money changers because these were most likely Levites who knew better.  These were the priests that were to have studied the Torah and to be advocating fairness and justice.  These priests had forgotten the primary purpose for the Temple.  I believe it is Josephus that goes into depth of the crookedness of the money changers.  

One example was that a man brought his lamb to be offered as a sacrifice in the Temple.  The overseeing priest would tell the man that his lamb was not acceptable and would offer to sell him an ‘acceptable’ lamb for a few shekels more in addition to the ‘trade in’ lamb.  Then the overseeing priest would have a designated servant/herdsman that worked under him take that lamb and literally walk the lamb around the outside wall of the temple.  This would be long enough so that by the time that the servant returned with the so called unacceptable lamb that the previous owner had already entered the temple and would not see the servant return with his ‘defected’ lamb.  The priest would then sell this man’s lamb as an acceptable lamb to the next sucker. (this is my retelling as I didn’t have the ability to quote).

I would equate this scenario to that of a righteous police taking names of all the officers willingly involved in corrupt dealings.

I hope that sufficiently clarifies for you.  

Shalom aleichem

 

on Nov 25, 2008

No comments?

on Nov 25, 2008

foreverserenity

gays can bash, hit, do anything they want to because they are suppossed to be weak and sissified.


I disagree with that statement.  Though I know you said it to make a point. 

I do agree that if they, the gay persons involved, assaulted someone, then yes, they should be held for that offense.  It is after all a free county and anyone can protest what they don't like, without violence being involved hopefully!  While I do support gay rights, as I do any individual's rights, I do not support violence unless in  self-protectionf.  They might not have liked the protests, and it is understandable that they would get angry but resorting to physical harm is wrong.

That's just it, nothing was done basically the law just let the gays run amok. Why? because of the sickness of the city itself, San Francisco is a city that suffers from an illusion that it is above the law, a law unto itself. They don't care about federal law and the feds do nothing in way of punishment, like cutting off funds to colleges that bar military recruiters from campuses.

on Nov 25, 2008

Adventure-Dude
 


could you please explain more?


Certainly my friend!

If you consider the two excerpts that were presented by you and KFC, one might conclude that Jesus was a hypocrite at best or worse a schizophrenic.

If you consider KFC's reference to Matt 5 one might conclude that Christians are to become a doormat to the world if you adhere to the literal text vs. considering the importance of the context here. 

As KFC mentions Jesus is clearly referencing the Torah.  However I disagree with her understanding of the context of Torah.

These laws are not saying that if someone happens slaps you on the right cheek to say, "Thank you sir, may I have another."

Let's consider the passage in Matt 5.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39 “But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 “If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41 “Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.

All four of these verses are under the context of legal retribution in the Torah.  Please refer to the following Torah passages: Ex 21:12-36, Lev 24:17-23, Deut 19:14-21.


The context that I see from the Torah references is that once I have 'wronged' someone (even if they are evil) that I am to give him measure for measure (the 'value' of eye for an eye to which the Rabbis agree vs the literal).  Jesus is saying not to just do measure for measure but to go beyond that to show true repentance for the 'offence' to someone by inflicting more of a loss on oneself.

This supports the notion of the context of what you provided:


There is no law about protecting ones self after turning the cheek one time.


You are right there is NO law about protecting yourself rather on the contrary.  There are several laws that support the contrary!


even Christ blew his stack at the money changers at the temple. so if Christ can blow it once so can a Christian.


Christ blew his stack at the money changers because these were most likely Levites who knew better.  These were the priests that were to have studied the Torah and to be advocating fairness and justice.  These priests had forgotten the primary purpose for the Temple.  I believe it is Josephus that goes into depth of the crookedness of the money changers.  

One example was that a man brought his lamb to be offered as a sacrifice in the Temple.  The overseeing priest would tell the man that his lamb was not acceptable and would offer to sell him an ‘acceptable’ lamb for a few shekels more in addition to the ‘trade in’ lamb.  Then the overseeing priest would have a designated servant/herdsman that worked under him take that lamb and literally walk the lamb around the outside wall of the temple.  This would be long enough so that by the time that the servant returned with the so called unacceptable lamb that the previous owner had already entered the temple and would not see the servant return with his ‘defected’ lamb.  The priest would then sell this man’s lamb as an acceptable lamb to the next sucker. (this is my retelling as I didn’t have the ability to quote).

I would equate this scenario to that of a righteous police taking names of all the officers willingly involved in corrupt dealings.

I hope that sufficiently clarifies for you.  

Shalom aleichem

 

 

WOW what great statements and for anyone to remain silent means to me, that your points were so strongly made they have NOTHING in the way of rebuttal! I declare you the winner of this part of the debate!

on Nov 25, 2008

WOW what great statements and for anyone to remain silent means to me, that your points were so strongly made they have NOTHING in the way of rebuttal! I declare you the winner of this part of the debate!

not quite.  I just don't want to argue with my friend AD. 

on Nov 25, 2008

KFC Kickin For Christ
WOW what great statements and for anyone to remain silent means to me, that your points were so strongly made they have NOTHING in the way of rebuttal! I declare you the winner of this part of the debate!not quite.  I just don't want to argue with my friend AD. 

I am quite sure AD can handle any religious debate with anyone here KFC, he is one of the very few I have outside contact with so I know him a little bit.

on Nov 26, 2008

not quite. I just don't want to argue with my friend AD.

OK, Happy Thanksgiving day to you and your family KFC.

I know quite well, that we will wind up agreeing to disagree?

on Nov 26, 2008

I am quite sure AD can handle any religious debate with anyone here KFC, he is one of the very few I have outside contact with so I know him a little bit.

Speaking of which, you have mail. 

on Nov 26, 2008

Speaking of which, you have mail.

Crap scratch that.  I received a funky error message from your email servor.

"Mailbox has exceeded the limit"

 

 

on Nov 26, 2008

Adventure-Dude
Speaking of which, you have mail. Crap scratch that.  I received a funky error message from your email servor."Mailbox has exceeded the limit"  

Impossible I clean mail regularly.

on Nov 26, 2008

Impossible I clean mail regularly.

I'm trying again.  I know it says 'fwd' but it isn't ONE OF THOSE.  I just forwarded it from Adventure-Dudette's email and forgot to take the fwd off.

 

 

on Nov 26, 2008

I know quite well, that we will wind up agreeing to disagree?

hahaha we seem to come to this quite often don't we?    We're not that far off with each other anyhow...at least I don't think so.     Nothing worth arguing about anyhow! 

Have a Happy Thanksgiving....... to you both~

 

on Nov 27, 2008

KFC Kickin For Christ
I know quite well, that we will wind up agreeing to disagree?hahaha we seem to come to this quite often don't we?    We're not that far off with each other anyhow...at least I don't think so.     Nothing worth arguing about anyhow! Have a Happy Thanksgiving....... to you both~ 

And may your be filled with joy and family pleasure.

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