That is the essence, he never really DEFINED what "change and hope" looked like.

You know MM.  Something else that I am seeing here is that an Obama election may also show the selfishness of Americans.  When you think about all the rhetoric that Obama proclaimed.  Tax Cuts for the poor and middle class, Universal Healthcare, Trickle up economics (take money from the rich, give to the poor), etc.

Looking at the exit polls the lower classes are the one's that primarily voted for Obama.  Based upon Obama's policies can we say that in this case the lower class are the ones that are selfish and greedy?

Gee AD, A free ride..... HMMMMMMMMMmm   must warm the heart of Lenin and Marx... everyone equal, just think, now you get to retire at 18!!! sit back get a check for doing nothing, get health care, have a roof over head, food in fridge>> live the good life.. never earn a dime, bah!! let some over achiver do the work while you reap the benefits... what a life!!! Makes me wish I was 16 again.

I thought I did when I said:

I don't think we are going to see eye to eye on this -- and that's okay.  I'm sure you (the collective you who doesn't support Obama) will have many reasons to complain over the next 4 years, just as I hope that I, as an Obama supporter, will have many reasons to be grateful for the choices I made that helped, even in a small way, Virginia go blue.

In the meantime -- I'm just glad you're back.

thank you docG

Isn't it interesting how addicting begging can be?  I see it all over the world.

Very good opinion on the role of racism in the election here:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-steele5-2008nov05,0,6553798.story

There are many good points on just how relevant race was in this election and how little the outcome will actually change racism.

Symbolism doesn't change racism one whit.

I will get to this ling ASAP it will either prove or disprove my point. I will get back to you on this.

Nothing can be MORE DEBILITATING!!!

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-steele5-2008nov05,0,6553798.story

i STRONGLY suggest this article link that  pictoratus so graciously provided be followed and take the time to read.

I thank you pictoratus for posting this very informative article!!!!!

NH?  No, why?  I don't have any connection to NH -- but if you meant RI, then the answer is again, no.  I swtiched my voting registration to VA back in 2003 when there wasn't a hope in hell that my little blue vote would make a difference in a vast sea of red.

Glad to contribute!

An eye-opener, is it not?

Much more than an eye opener, FOOD for THOUGHT a rare thing indeed.

minorities lack the gene causing racism, it is a proven fact! only white people can be racist.

Sadly a great many people did vote based solely upon race. Both ways. But then I guess it's no less stupid than those who vote on some single issue or other. Let's face it, the majority of voters don't vote based upon a thorough knowledge of the issues. I guess race is as good a stupid reason to vote as any.

Frankly I'd much rather hear someone say they voted for someone because of their race as to just bleat "change!" without the slightest idea of exactly what sort of change. At least they're honest (stupid, but honest).