You asked a question, I gave you an answer. I didn't know you were loading this question so you could take potshots at the answers you don't like.

I could never, in all good consciousness, let anyone be tortured, regardless of what they might have done. My loved ones know this about me, which is one of the reasons they love me. I would be hypocritical to my own personal philosophys to act any other way.

First of all, welcome back to JU, Beebs.

Second of all...you have a point with "okay torture." It's never "okay" and never will be. However, if someone fucks with my friends or family and I had a hostage, I'd use any means necessary to make him spill the beans. I may be disgusted, he may be fucked, and I may regret it later...but to save someone I would go to that extreme.

~Zoo

If there's any certainty in this world, it's that one always has more relatives. I'd say no to using waterboarding. Considering how effective most police services are bringing a halt to kidnappers, I'd be happy to leave it all up to them.

My answer is no. Wrong is wrong and illegal is illegal.

I think another way to look at this is - one of our service members is being held prisoner. Is it okay for whoever is holding the soldier prisoner to waterboard the soldier?

Reply By: dynamasoPosted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 So before you would let a criminal get water boarded you would let a loved one die. You asked a question, I gave you an answer. I didn't know you were loading this question so you could take potshots at the answers you don't like. I could never, in all good consciousness, let anyone be tortured, regardless of what they might have done. My loved ones know this about me, which is one of the reasons they love me. I would be hypocritical to my own personal philosophys to act any other way.

I would never take a shot at you maso. I am glad you stand by your principles no matter what, I don't understand it. but I do respect it.

Reply By: Zoologist03Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 That the position of "okay torture" is even agreed with (or modulated to some more severe action) shows a severe lack of regard for the sanctity of human life. First of all, welcome back to JU, Beebs. Second of all...you have a point with "okay torture." It's never "okay" and never will be. However, if someone fucks with my friends or family and I had a hostage, I'd use any means necessary to make him spill the beans. I may be disgusted, he may be fucked, and I may regret it later...but to save someone I would go to that extreme.

That's my point too. It's never ok to torture someone, {if waterboarding is torture, the jury is still out on this one} But would I do it? heck yes!

Reply By: LocamamaPosted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 My answer is no. Wrong is wrong and illegal is illegal. I think another way to look at this is - one of our service members is being held prisoner. Is it okay for whoever is holding the soldier prisoner to waterboard the soldier?

Maybe you should start reading what exactly they do to our men when they capture them before making a statement like that.

Reply By: cactoblastaPosted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 If there's any certainty in this world, it's that one always has more relatives. I'd say no to using waterboarding. Considering how effective most police services are bringing a halt to kidnappers, I'd be happy to leave it all up to them.

sure you can always get another mother cacto.

I know that much worse things have been done to our soldiers but I think we have to take the high road. I don't think we can condemn other's torture if we are doing the same.

done.

That only applies if you think water boarding is torture. I for one don't.

In my eyes, waterboarding is still torture. So no, it is not right at all.

Peace, ~Lucas

Moderateman, if treating people humanely is "utter crap", perhaps you need to do some long hard thinking about your personal ethics. I'm loving the personal attacks, by the way.

Also, FYI, The federal torture statute, 18 U.S.C. § 2340A, prohibits acts outside the United States that are specifically intended to cause “severe physical or mental pain or suffering.” And waterboarding is torture under that definiton. Waterboarding, as an interogation technique, causes "severe physical suffering in the form of reflexive choking, gagging, and the feeling of suffocation. It may cause severe pain in some cases. If uninterrupted, waterboarding will cause death by suffocation. It is also foreseeable that waterboarding, by producing an experience of drowning, will cause severe mental pain and suffering. The technique is a form of mock execution by suffocation with water. The process incapacitates the victim from drawing breath, and causes panic, distress, and terror of imminent death. Many victims of waterboarding suffer prolonged mental harm for years and even decades afterward. "

Don't try to argue that a chicken isn't a chicken.

Furthermore, you are denying another human being their rights as a human being by waterboarding them. This is intrinsically wrong. You are violating their sanctity of mind and body.

  

Reply By: Death_By_BeeblesPosted: Thursday, February 14, 2008 Moderateman, if treating people humanely is "utter crap", perhaps you need to do some long hard thinking about your personal ethics. I'm loving the personal attacks, by the way.

When it comes to family I pretty much throw out the rule book.

Apologies for anything said that was personal, I just have a real hard time believing people would not water board someone to rescue a loved one.

The technique is a form of mock execution by suffocation with water. The process incapacitates the victim from drawing breath, and causes panic, distress, and terror of imminent death. Many victims of waterboarding suffer prolonged mental harm for years and even decades afterward. " Don't try to argue that a chicken isn't a chicken.

Did you know that some of out own highly trained troops go through water boarding to prepare them for what might happen to them?

Furthermore, you are denying another human being their rights as a human being by waterboarding them. This is intrinsically wrong. You are violating their sanctity of mind and body.

Yes I do know this. Again, Kidnap Colleen {my Wife}, pay the price of denying her, her civil rights.

 

Start believing.



This claim has nothing to do with Waterboarding not being torture. If our own government waterboards our soldiers, then that government is just as guilty of torture as you would be if you waterboarded someone.



So, an eye for an eye is okay with you?

Furthermore, she's been kidnapped. This is most certainly a violation of rights, but they aren't trying to kill her, like you would be trying to kill one of their own. If a man steals your apple, would you chop off his hand?