Isn't that the point of smirkingchimp? To have a sheltered place for left-wingers? While JoeUser is slanted right, that's certainly not the point of it. So I give them their space, and their name calling... 'cuz that's all they can do.

I would like to think there are a few free thinkers there unafraid of views not their own and will to at least 'hear' them. I do not expect to change anyone's mind, but I would like the courtesy of being heard without being called silly demeaning names. If one of them came here first I would welcome them to the site, something very common to joeuser, common courtesy, something lacking at the smirking chimp site. While it's obvious to me the the writers are well read, well educated and have done their homework, they only present one point of view and any other point of view will be shouted down. When the point of view cannot be shouted down, they do the typical stuff, "you are an idjit" or a retard or they change the subject. It's very sad to see such minds wasted and locked into a single point of view. One of them has followed my name here and has went to copying and pasting my little articles to the comment section of the Smirking Chimp to somehow show how feeble I am. Nothing like having your very own stalker following you around. This person is very wounded and needs help. somehow I wish I could reach out and show him or her I am not his or her enemy.

Any left thinking person with rational thoughts in there heads would not go to smirkingchimp.

I refuse to lump an entire site into one entity, that and that alone would make me just like them, no thank you.

So far I have been compared to a closet homosexual and a pedophile. Great minds at work over there.

The only reason I stick around JU is the reasonableness of the people here, and their ability to have pleasant disagreements. I lump this entire site into THAT category, even though it's not always true, and there are definitely some people (that don't need to be mentioned lest they appear out of the woodwork) who are at a more comfortable distance from rational thought. But if all we did was call each other names I wouldn't want to stick around.

yes me too. for the most part disagreements happen with a degree of respect, again something severely lacking at the chimp site. I have been called more nasty names in two days than I have encountered over the last year here and there has been some serious disagreements here. Over there, you disagree with any of their talking points and it's like you raped their sister. I am pretty sure Bin Laden would be treated with more respect than I have gotten over there.

Moderateman-

Farbeit for me to represent the left and all the fine folks at SC, but I don't feel that we "fear" opposing viewpoints. I'm not going to get into the pissing contest of right vs left, as I believe that it's mostly a bunch of BS and I (hope) that you do too. As some of the other posters at SC have stated, if you go to a fine right wing site like free republic and post anything left wing, you will most likely be invited to peform all kinds of strange sexual acts with oneself and then promptly have your account deleted. Although I in no way represent the site, I personally welcome you to come back and debate with us. And for the record, using the word "left" and "democrats" is kinda lumping two things together that don't necessarily go hand in hand. I believe in democratic socialism, the kind currently used in many European countries, and Canada (my home) as well. I happen to believe that the democrats in their present form are a piss poor example of a "left" wing party and are so mired in partisan politics and special interest money that they don't really know who they are..... will that change? Who can say. But nonetheless SC does offer some interesting articles that do offer an alternative viewpoint. I don't agree with everything that's posted there, and I enjoy a good debate especially when there are disagreements...... in other words, why can't we all just get along?

Arty,

You sound like the kind of "leftist" that would be a welcome addition to JU. We need good, well thought left wing viewpoints from people who don't resort to ad hominem attacks every time they're challenged.

I hope to hear more from you.

Welcome to joeuser!

What a kind and fine thing to write, your response has given me hope that indeed there are rational minds of opposing views that can exchange things civilly.

I gratefully accept your invitation with an open mind, you will find that indeed I am open to having my mind changed about things, nothing except for a few of my own morals and ethics are written in stone.
Thank you, MM

ain't that the unvarnished truth!! Joeuser has become an ol boys club with to much familiarity and to many atta boys going on, we need some views that are different than the norm around here.

No kidding. Most of us "lefties" are just tired of trying to debate all you crotchety old conservatives anyway . . .

PS Good to see you back, old man. I missed ya.

well so much for differing points of view at the chimpster, I posted a much watered down version of http://moderateman.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=162139 this article, I removed any wording that could be construed as offensive, but left the Idea of the article out there, this morning it had been removed. sadly I can see the powers that be over there are not like draginol who at least is willing to post article that are not even close to his views, draginol even features them, but at this leftwing site, all they do is remove them.

Many, not all of course, extreme leftists base their entire viewpoint solely on feelings and emotion and are thus threatened by any sort of rational thought based upon actual facts. That's why those people are so hostile. When you can't back up your view with facts hostility and name calling are all that's left to you. It's easier to delete a rational post than it is to debate it when you lack any facts.

You know the old saying, never argue with a lunatic as it makes it hard for the bystanders to tell who is who.

Thankfully there are some left leaning people who can actually debate with facts and reason instead of feelings and hatred.

Many, not all of course, extreme leftists base their entire viewpoint solely on feelings and emotion and are thus threatened by any sort of rational thought based upon actual facts.

Mason stole my line.  But I also agree with Jythier.  Not all left wingers are like du.org, Puffington Host, dailykos, moveon.org and SC posters, but those who post there do so for the comfort of not having to think and reach and debate.  The post there because they cant debate or reason, not in spite of it. 

Those on the left that can debate, reason, and think usually frequent other sites where they will be challenged, civilly, to a stimulating discussion or debate and be able to sharpen their skills, and justify their beliefs.

Reply By: MasonMPosted: Saturday, September 29, 2007 Many, not all of course, extreme leftists base their entire viewpoint solely on feelings and emotion and are thus threatened by any sort of rational thought based upon actual facts. That's why those people are so hostile. When you can't back up your view with facts hostility and name calling are all that's left to you. It's easier to delete a rational post than it is to debate it when you lack any facts. You know the old saying, never argue with a lunatic as it makes it hard for the bystanders to tell who is who. Thankfully there are some left leaning people who can actually debate with facts and reason instead of feelings and hatred.

That really jacked my jaws when I went to see if anyone commented on my article and found it was missing in action. I am very disappointed.