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Paving the Way for Homosexuals to gain civil rights as a protected class
Published on June 28, 2007 By Moderateman In Current Events

Our government is a republic, and in a republic we elect men and women to represent us, {piss poor job that they do} in our legislative bodies and we elect executives to make sure that laws passed by the legislatures are carried out. If our laws are not upheld, anarchy would be the result.

We citizens vote and MOST of us are looking for honest and wise representatives who will RESPECT the consent of the GOVERNED. However it is becoming almost impossible to find these people with so many "self seekers" among those elected to high office.

Last May the Democratic run House passed a bill {Federal Hate Crimes} that mandates further penalties for crimes involving sexual orientation or gender identity. If it passes the Senate it will make Homosexuality and Gender Identity a civil rights issue.

I believe this is a very dangerous bill as it would have ramification on Religion, meaning if a pastor, priest, rabbi says from the pulpit that homosexuality is a sin they could be tried for a hate crime.

Representative Lamar Smith {R TEXAS} said of this bill that " criminal killing a Homosexual will be treated more harshly that a criminal that kills a cop, or a child or a senior citizen or any other person" I believe all people should be treated equally under the eyes of the law.

The republicans offered 25 amendments to clarify and and improve the bill but were denied by the Democratic run house to even be heard.

Dan Lundgren {R CALIFORNIA} asked for further clarification of gender identity, the Democrats refused to discuss it.

Randy Forbes {R VIRGINIA} said that "our military is being attacked in America, being spit on and beaten, in several areas are told not to wear their uniforms while on pass or leave" He wanted to include the military in this hate crimes bill, once again the Democrats refused to discuss it. So much for "looking out and supporting out men and women in uniform huh?"

Other Republican representatives wanted to add senior citizens to this bill, once again the Democrats refused to discuss it. So much for the Liberals taking care of "out honored old folk"

Other Republicans wanted to add pregnant women to the bill, Once again the Democrats that have no problem with murdering children in the womb would not allow discussion about protecting the expectant mothers.

Representative Mike Pence {R INDIANA} presented an important amendment about freedom of religion, concerned about the possibility of religious folk being tried for hate crimes by being faithful to their religion and espousing that homosexuality is a sin, again denied By the Democrats.

Rev. Lou Sheldon head of the Traditional Values Coalition {who was present at the bills vote} said " By refusing to accept any of these amendments the Democrats have Proven their purpose of removing freedom of religion from the constitution. I heartily Agree.

AS Thomas Jefferson once warned "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." We need to remember his words and see that laws passed by our representative are fair to everyone.

 

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on Jun 28, 2007
yoo hoo? Democrats?? Party of the people??? where are you?? nothing to say about your party now? hmmmmmm????
on Jun 28, 2007
Not that homosexuals should be less valued, but definitely not more valued.

By the way, what happens when you're straight for a while, and then become a homosexual in college? Did you have less value before, and now have more value? What if you are a homosexual, and go to a program to get straight again, and it works? Are you now less valued, or does the homosexual label follow you forever? What is someone thinks I'm a homosexual, but I'm not? Is an assault on me worth the same as an assault on a homosexual, or is it just a normal assault? What if it's a homosexual soldier attacked? Does he have to admit it to get special privileges? Will he get kicked out if he does so?

What if a guy has never had sex with anyone. Is he still considered protected, because we don't really know, he could be a homosexual? Would he have to show he was a homosexual? How would he do that? Could he provoke someone to attack him just so that he could get laid to prove he's a homosexual?
on Jun 28, 2007

I have always been against hate crime laws.  period.  If you do the crime, the punishment should be the same.  Sadly, I dont see the monkeys in black robes understanding that simple constitutional provision.  And this is just another example of them making some people more equal than others.

What really saddens me (as the clowns in DC are merely sycophants to the special interest groups) is that so many others jump on the band wagon and yell "Yeaaaa!" not realizing that today it is against their pet peeve.  Tomorrow it will be against them.

4 legs good, 2 legs better.

on Jun 28, 2007

Reply By: little-whipPosted: Thursday, June 28, 2007
Tis a sad day in America when homosexuals are more highly valued than soldiers, old people, pregnant women, and religious freedom.

But hey, at least the Poor Pedro bill is dead for now, so there's at least one reason to smile today.

Not dead yet, wait and see if a DEMONCRAP gets elected to the White house and the get the entire congress again in 2008, poor Pedro will rule America.

on Jun 28, 2007

Reply By: JythierPosted: Thursday, June 28, 2007
Not that homosexuals should be less valued, but definitely not more valued.

Not according to The Democrat. shoot a cop=bad Shoot a gay= very very very bad I don't understand it.

on Jun 28, 2007

Reply By: Dr GuyPosted: Thursday, June 28, 2007
I have always been against hate crime laws. period. If you do the crime, the punishment should be the same. Sadly, I dont see the monkeys in black robes understanding that simple constitutional provision. And this is just another example of them making some people more equal than others.
What really saddens me (as the clowns in DC are merely sycophants to the special interest groups) is that so many others jump on the band wagon and yell "Yeaaaa!" not realizing that today it is against their pet peeve. Tomorrow it will be against them.

Wanna get even with someone? have them slap you and hollar Hey I am queer, you just committed a hate crime.

on Jun 28, 2007

yoo hoo? Democrats?? Party of the people??? where are you?? nothing to say about your party now? hmmmmmm????


yoo, hoo, here I am did you call? I don't think you understand what the hate crimes legislation is for. It gives added federal funds to local law enforcement when dealing with hate crimes. That's it. Think of hate crimes as lynching. I don't know anyone who can defend lynching but somehow they can condemn hate crime legislation. Hate crimes are different because it tries to put people in their place and cultivate a culture of fear. This will not replace the first amendment right to free speech. This law is about violent acts not about speech.

But don't worry prematurely, it still have to pass the senate and avoid a Presidential veto. Chances are it won't make it to law.

God loves homosexuals and so do I.
on Jun 28, 2007
Think of hate crimes as lynching.


Good point. Now, google the last lynching. And then answer why we are wasting money on nostalgia.

ANd violent crimes? Google Philadelphia and Hate crimes. Perhaps you need to look at what it is being used for (outside of the sensational headlines) and how your free speech just got hate crimed out of existance.
on Jun 28, 2007
LocamamaJune 28, 2007 20:12:03


yoo hoo? Democrats?? Party of the people??? where are you?? nothing to say about your party now? hmmmmmm????


yoo, hoo, here I am did you call? I don't think you understand what the hate crimes legislation is for.


I fully understand after all I researched this. Now take a baby and slam its head against a wall 20 times, that is not as serious as slamming a homos head against the wall ONCE! that is your idea of fair right?
on Jun 28, 2007
(Citizen)Dr GuyJune 28, 2007 20:37:51Reply


how your free speech just got hate crimed out of existance.


ya see doc that's the point here IT'S NOT HER freedom of speech at risk. YET.
on Jun 28, 2007
that is your idea of fair right?


no, it gives added federal financial support to local law enforcement. It doesn't mean that other violent crimes will not continue to be prosecuted.
on Jun 28, 2007
this is a ridiculous jump to make. i don't like this bill either but to say it's an attack on freedom of religion? how? what religion teaches its followers to commit crimes against homosexuals? i can almost guaruntee the democrats did not have removing one of the freedoms our country was founded on in mind when they made this bill.
on Jun 29, 2007
this is a ridiculous jump to make. i don't like this bill either but to say it's an attack on freedom of religion? how?


Not a jump - reality
on Jun 29, 2007

Reply By: stillkoontzPosted: Thursday, June 28, 2007
this is a ridiculous jump to make. i don't like this bill either but to say it's an attack on freedom of religion? how? what religion teaches its followers to commit crimes against homosexuals? i can almost guaruntee the democrats did not have removing one of the freedoms our country was founded on in mind when they made this bill.

Who are you to guarntee anything? for one> For two it plainly states that hate speech is a crime, it gives homosexuals civil rights much like when blacks won civil rights, Try going on national television and saying " Niggers are lazy and sinful people they are the downfall of America, Niggers and their nigger offspring are an abomination against God" see what happens to you!

I hate the word Nigger, But I was making a point to someone that obvoiusly does not have a clue about this bill.

If I offended anyone by useing the N word as an example I deeply apoligize.

on Jun 29, 2007

Reply By: little-whipPosted: Friday, June 29, 2007
what religion teaches its followers to commit crimes against homosexuals?


Islam.

Good point, but you don.t have to commit a CRIME per say just use hate speech against a group of people granted civil rights protection.

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