sorry mm,,,with few exceptions, most of those were drafted. if there was a draft today, there would be a much different roster in the army. not to mention, ya see any of the army ads today? no "uncle sam wants you" ads that directly called on people to fight the axis. today, we still get the same ads that we got in peacetime that talk about getting money for college and gaining experience for your career. things a wealthy actor really doesn't need. and the military has to continuously lower it's standards just to try to come close to any goals in recruiting. it's not that hollywood isn't signing up...no one is signing up.

58 arabic translators and linguists kicked out during a war for being gay? who did that help? who did that serve except some delusioned right wingers who can't accept it that gay people love theri country too and wish to serve it?

and penn, moore, robbins, et al are not anti american. from what i see, they love this country as much as you or i. i eagerly await the new movie sicko, which got great reviews across the board, including Fox News.

if ya want a "STAR" who fought for their country...try Pat Tillman...and look what happened to him and the way the military f*cked him and his family over.

and from the way the british pulled the plug on the prince serving in iraq, i have a feeling if a major star wanted to serve there, he / she would be turned away because in today's world, it would be a security risk. a lot of those movie stars and celebrities weren't even known in the 40's. many of the people you list were military 1st, then became tv and movie personalities. and others simply weren't well known. and even the best known didn't get the international publicity in other countries anything like the way stars are exposed in today's "flat world." what you do see today is scores of artists, movie stars and personalities doing their job to boost morale with USO tours and such. like al franken has done no less than 4 times.

Reply By: Sean Conners aka SConn1Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2007 sorry mm,,,with few exceptions, most of those were drafted.

Ok most were but some enlisted that did not have too, I think I should have added your name to the antiAmerican list along with sean penn, MY GOD Sean you really are starting to get on my last nerve with your constant rhetoric and apoligist attitudes, I think we should just stay out of each others blogs from now on.

You see a list of Bronze star and purple heart winners and all you can say is... "there was a draft" for shame sean.

monday morning forum push

no, i'm saying the eras aren't as parallel as you are painting them and a lot of other factors play into that. simply put, all factors aren't even close to being equal, so the comparison is invalid. that doesn't diminish the service of the folks you mentioned, but the context is important if a comparisson is going to be made. you also ignored the point about the difference between celebrity then and now. you also ignored the fact that many of these guys weren't celebrities when they served. make this list in 50 years and we'll see how they compare.

i'm not gonna go thru the whole list by any means, but your 1st example, don adams, didn't even appear on tv until 1954.

eddie albert really didn't become a star until after the war. his work before the war was on radio and broadway.

charles bronson took up acting after the war based on his roomate, jack klugman's advice and didn't even start acting till the 50's.

and that story repeats over and over on your list.

outside of clark gable and maybe a few others, most of those actors are famous today, but weren't then. and the ones that were didn't get nearly as much exposure, and especially international exposure as even C-list celebrities get today.

television wasn't even really in full swing at the end of WWII, let alone before it. and we came into the "golden age of movies" after the war. simply apples and oranges to compare the eras and people.

imagine if a big celeb went and served in uniform over there. imagine the danger they could put everyone else in just because of who they are. the british telling the prince that he couldn't go with his platoon was an example of folks realizing that.

if you don't want me posting on here fine. but at least have a valid reason. don't just call me "anti-american" and then expect no repsonse. that's utter b.s.

calling me or anyone else, a person who loves my country, anti-american, just because i disagree with you on issues, is about as anti american as one can get.

i'm hopin you woke up grumpy again.

Reply By: Sean Conners aka SConn1Posted: Monday, June 11, 2007

Ok yer not anti-american. were done now.

Pat Tilman. Not Hollywood, but his name belongs with them.

so your going to diminish the service of the folks today becouse they might have joined to get a college education. what you think when they signed up they were so stupid not to know that they might be called on to sacrifice.

I think the point I was making was the Hollywood of old was filled with patriots, the new Hollywood is filled with anti-American pigs, but somehow that seems lost on some apologists.

I got that point, and dont deny it. I wish I could.

good doc, cause that was the only point I was making. then and now.

Doc, I understand why you would think to include him but I personally see a vast difference between the sporting arena and Hollywood. Unless I am mistaken (please show evidence if I am) I have yet to hear any politicizing from the sports arena.



I agree with you. Sadly I see many very coveted word definitions such as Patriotism being changed (or at least attempted).

I agree with you. Sadly I see many very coveted word definitions such as Patriotism being changed (or at least attempted).

Reply By: Adventure-DudePosted: Monday, June 11, 2007

sadly to some, today's "patriot", spits on the Flag, embraces Dictators like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, Demeans the Presidency, Trashes the Country. Blames America for all the worlds woes. Holds up organizations like the U.N. as something to admire and we should be like them. Thinks Europe Secularism is the wave of the future for Americans.

Precisely! Too many are aMEricans.

I got your point...5X5...the defense that many became celebrities after their service doesn't change the fact that not many of the celebrities we see today served at all before becoming "famous". Many of the famous in the 40s volunteered their services once the war started...even many who were too old to "join up".

Reply By: Big Fat DaddyPosted: Monday, June 11, 2007 I got your point...5X5...the defense that many became celebrities after their service doesn't change the fact that not many of the celebrities we see today served at all before becoming "famous". Many of the famous in the 40s volunteered their services once the war started...even many who were too old to "join up".

How could they, they are to busy making a zillion dollars a movie off the American public so they can turn around and spit in our face.

I love the ones with 25,000 square feet homes, heated barns {ala Babs Streisand} telling me I have got to use less energy too.

The quality of the people in hollywood today could not shine the shoes of the old Hollywood people when it comes to character. {yes there were some screw-ups in the old days too, law breakers, but none were Anti-American}