Iraq, Changing my mind

We Must withdraw, now

Published on February 24, 2006 By Moderateman In Politics

Watching the news and seeing how much hate these factions of the same
religion have for each other. Its time for us to cut and leave them to there own devices.

We are going to have to leave sometime and when we do they are going to kill each other anyways, so we must stop spending so much in human life and money to support a people that is headed for civil war.

We had our own civil war and we recuperated from it, let them do the same.

WITHDRAW OUR TROOPS NOW!

Comments (Page 1)

DJBandit

on Feb 24, 2006

Civil War? Why all of a suddendo you change your mind? It's not like we didn't expect it to happen anyways. Many people have said here that a civil war is very likely. I get your point but let's not be too hasty. WE shouldn't just cut and run, we should at least say good-bye.

ParaTed2k

on Feb 24, 2006

"Perhaps it would confuse them if we ran away more!" ~ Monty Python & the Holy Grail.

bakerstreet

on Feb 24, 2006

That's one way to look at it. Another way would be that this is the terrorists in Iraq sticking their neck out just far enough to hang themselves. People are tired of violence there. I don't think we give them enough credit for their intelligence, frankly.

Sure, people like Sadr are trying to take advantage of this, but we don't know that people will allow him to. I think the last thing we need to do is abandon our commitment when things look darkest. That would just betray those who aren't violent and prove people like Sadr right in what they say about us.

Moderateman

on Feb 24, 2006

1 by DJBandit
Friday, February 24, 2006

it's not "all of a sudden" this decision comes after years of thinking and watching
The Muslims are nuts killing each other, we ned to let them work out their own problems.

Moderateman

on Feb 24, 2006

#2 by ParaTed2k
Friday, February 24, 2006

"Perhaps it would confuse them if we ran away more!" ~ Monty Python & the Holy Grail

Man you can make me laugh, this decision came hard to me ted, me being a Neo-con warmonger and all.

bakerstreet

on Feb 24, 2006

" The Muslims are nuts killing each other, we ned to let them work out their own problems.

You can't lay that on the average Muslim, though. If the average Muslim in Iraq were killing people, there would be blood running in the streets. In reality I think the average Muslim just wants to be left alone.

Their apathy is the problem, but honestly we don't have a lot of authority to condemn anyone about that. If you look at the murder rate in the US, you might find that many of us sit in the safe part of town and apathetically do nothing when people are dying. We're satisfied until people wander out of the projects and start killing 'real' people. The people in Iraq are no different.

Moderateman

on Feb 24, 2006

#3 by BakerStreet
Friday, February 24, 2006

If the people of Iraq really wanted to rid themselves of the terrorists it would be done and over already, how many more innocent Iraqis must be slaughtered before they do something about it?

Moderateman

on Feb 24, 2006

6 by BakerStreet
Friday, February 24, 2006

The Muslims are nuts killing each other, we ned to let them work out their own problems.

You can't lay that on the average Muslim, though. If the average Muslim in Iraq were killing people, there would be blood running in the streets. In reality I think the average Muslim just wants to be left alone

I keep thinking "all for evil to succeed all good men have to do is nothing"

I believe the average person in Iraq wants peace, but to allow all this slaughter to happen sickens me.

We cannot stop the coming civil war and I do think it will happen, one more incident of the Shiites being targeted and BOOM. the crap will hit the fan and our brave men and women will be caught in the middle.

Shovelheat

on Feb 24, 2006

WITHDRAW OUR TROOPS NOW!

Like Vietnam, I've never really understood what we're doing there in the first place fighting a war that we don't intend to really win. If we were intending to really win, we'd fight the thing like a fight's supposed to (and should be) be fought- down and dirty as hell.

Fighting to me has always been an all-or-nothing affair so methinks like you- we need to just cut out if we don't have the stomach to really kick ass. This half-way stuff just don't cut it.

Texas Wahine

on Feb 24, 2006

Shovelheat: Insightful to ALL of that (I don't know if it went through...I may owe you one)!

Moderateman: I look at it much the same way you do. I feel like all this hand-holding is silly and dangerous. If the Iraqis want freedom and democracy and peace, then they must rise to the challenge.

Let's either drop all the PC tip-toeing and clean house or get the hell out of there. Why is this our responsibility? Who charged us with selectively freeing oppressed nations? And why the hell are we spending so damned much money making the Iraqis' lives comfy when we have needs at home?

bakerstreet

on Feb 24, 2006

There were 16,137 murders in the US iin 2004. What have you done to prevent any? It might seem logical to think that more can be done, and Iraqis DO report these people quite often, as we see on blogs around here that bother to tell us.

Every single one of us knows that there will be someone killed in the inner city nearest them in the next month or so. What do you propose we do about that, Mod? If you are going to hold the Iraqis to a standard, maybe we should start at home. The next time people are killed in a driveby shooting, what might we ahve done to prevent that?

And before you say it is apples and oranges, remember that much of inner city crime is committed by organized gangs. Many are lucrative organizations that supply their lackies with guns and fund themselves with the drug trade. What do you propose we do about that, as citizens sitting at home?

If we can't stop people like that in America, I think it is a tad unfair to believe that someone sitting in Iraq can do the same. I think many times people do sit silently and don't report what they know out of fear, but it isn't easy finding witnesses in the US very often either, is it?

Moderateman

on Feb 24, 2006

#9 by Shovelheat
Friday, February 24, 2006

Like Vietnam

That war was fought way stupid, this one sems to be following the same track.

Moderateman

on Feb 24, 2006

#10 by Texas Wahine
Friday, February 24, 2006

Why is this our responsibility? Who charged us with selectively freeing oppressed nations? And why the hell are we spending so damned much money making the Iraqis' lives comfy when we have needs at home?

The needs at home especially our infrastructure needs gaazillions of bucks to restore it.

Moderateman

on Feb 24, 2006

#11 by BakerStreet
Friday, February 24, 2006

And before you say it is apples and oranges,

how about bananas and hotdogs?>

I agree with your thoughts baker, but this killing of our troops seem to be as useless as the murders here at home, at least with the troops we can avoid useless loss.

Demosthenes Locke

on Feb 24, 2006

We're satisfied until people wander out of the projects and start killing 'real' people.

As a corollary, does the presence of our soldiers, as a partial buffer, potentially disincentivize some Iraqi citizens from acting to correct these problems.

Of course, maybe a police force is necessary to maintain stability while the kinks get worked out. It just seems that the trouble is more than kinks, but an unwillingness on the visible parties to negotiate to any extent.

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