No, you don't get it. No one is infringing on your right of heterosexuality. NO ONE. And, just because the majority of people voted against it does not make it right. It's a bunch of lowlife homophobes who find some bizarre sanctimonious crappola in objecting to it, something I guess you understand very well.

No, obviously "you" don't get it. Whether or not "you" think it's right or wrong makes not one damn bit of difference. As it stands right now it's the LAW! And I think you ought to look around before you start calling a "bunch" of people homophobes. That initiative was on the voters plate in "11" states. And it was passed in all 11 of them. Now take you idiocy somewhere else.

I'm just happy and gay about the whole thing! ;~D

LOL

As I said, just because most people approved that measure, does not make it right. And, if you do not approve it, then yeah, you are, at least to some extent, a homophobe.

" As I said, just because most people approved that measure, does not make it right."

So what we are left with is Democracy is good, only if the majority agrees with Dabe's values.

No, all I'm saying is that you insist on limiting the rights of a segment of society based soley on your homophobia, because there is really no other reason to object to two people who love eachother getting married, certainly by the state, in that it would be zero skin off your back. Nada. Nothing. You act like gays getting married will have a direct impact on your life. It won't. You don't even have to associate with gays if you don't want to. No impact whatsoever. But, you sanctimoneous homophobic sensibility is offended by the thought. Get over yourself.

As for churches, I stand back a bit, as I do not belong to any. However, I know that some gays are deeply religious, and find a serious desire to be married in a church. Again, I don't understand the problem with it, except that some people cherry pick out of the bible what they feel should be believed as literal, and dismiss what they don't want to believe. The gay issue is one example, and it's discrimination, no matter how you look at it.

Just because most people are homophobes does not make homophobia right.

As for churches, I stand back a bit, as I do not belong to any. However, I know that some gays are deeply religious, and find a serious desire to be married in a church. Again, I don't understand the problem with it, except that some people cherry pick out of the bible what they feel should be believed as literal, and dismiss what they don't want to believe. The gay issue is one example, and it's discrimination, no matter how you look at it.

I wouldn't advise going there. Because you'd be wrong. The bible very plainly states that it is "against" homosexuality. Go read about Sodom and Gomorrha to see what I mean. In the bible God didn't destroy that city just for fun. I wouldn't consider that as "cherry picking".

Dabe, you've argued that it should be allowed just to be fair, and that's where I agree with you. In the interest of equality and fairness, gays should be allowed to marry. But humans are not fair or equal, we fear and dislike that which we either don't understand or do not participate in ourselves. We also fear change to the status-quo. However, there is nothing in the federal constitution regarding marraige, nothing at all. Nothing that even remotely touches on it, or the issue of sexual bias. That which is not specified in the constitution falls to individual states to decide on as they see fit.

Is it unfair that gays can not marry in 11 states? Yes, it is unfair, but democracy is not about being fair, it's about representing the will of the people, and like I said, people aren't fair.

#29 by drmiler Thursday, September 08, 2005

You don't get it at all do you? It's NOT the government saying it! It's the PEOPLE of the state saying it!

exactly to be exact 61% of the people said no to gay marriage.

39 by Zoomba Friday, September 09, 2005

Dabe, you've argued that it should be allowed just to be fair, and that's where I agree with you. In the interest of equality and fairness, gays should be allowed to marry. But humans are not fair or equal, we fear and dislike that which we either don't understand or do not participate in ourselves. We also fear change to the status-quo. However, there is nothing in the federal constitution regarding marraige, nothing at all. Nothing that even remotely touches on it, or the issue of sexual bias. That which is not specified in the constitution falls to individual states to decide on as they see fit. Is it unfair that gays can not marry in 11 states? Yes, it is unfair, but democracy is not about being fair, it's about representing the will of the people, and like I said, people aren't fair.

bingo!!!!! insightfull!!!

As I said, just because most people approved that measure, does not make it right. And, if you do not approve it, then yeah, you are, at least to some extent, a homophobe.

Dabe, homophobe is a completely innane buzzword created by bigots who have nothing more to back their position than feiging outrage. Calling people "homophobes" because of a political opinion is as hateful as calling someone racist for being against reparations. Apparently to you, gay people who are against legalizing gay marriage must be "homophobes" too!!

I've always wondered what it would be like to hate people because of preconceived notions... you should write an article on the subject, you seem to be an expert.

Should we start calling people who are against preserving marriage as it is now, "heterophobes"? Doesn't make any more sense.

PS. I've always wondered what it's like to hate groups of people because of preconceived notions... You should do an article on it Dabe, you seem to be an expert.

"Dabe, homophobe is a completely innane buzzword created by bigots who have nothing more to back their position than feiging outrage. Calling people "homophobes" because of a political opinion is as hateful as calling someone racist for being against reparations. Apparently to you, gay people who are against legalizing gay marriage must be "homophobes" too!!"

Yep...

Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Friday, September 09, 2005As I said, just because most people approved that measure, does not make it right. And, if you do not approve it, then yeah, you are, at least to some extent, a homophobe.Dabe, homophobe is a completely innane buzzword created by bigots who have nothing more to back their position than feiging outrage. Calling people "homophobes" because of a political opinion is as hateful as calling someone racist for being against reparations. Apparently to you, gay people who are against legalizing gay marriage must be "homophobes" too!!I've always wondered what it would be like to hate people because of preconceived notions... you should write an article on the subject, you seem to be an expert.Should we start calling people who are against preserving marriage as it is now, "heterophobes"? Doesn't make any more sense.

geeze another bingo!!! and my last insightfull for the day.