America has problems, but America is NOT THE PROBLEM!~
I have had enough
Published on May 17, 2005 By Moderateman In War on Terror
For crying out loud, I see the Liberals have finally had an effect on someone, only it’s the wrong someone’s.

Now these Muslims fanatics are suing America, for ready? Having to wear short pants, and having there prayer time interrupted, this is ridiculous, but yes-liberal lawyers are taking the TERRORIST suits to court.

Now at gitmo “infidels” That’s you and me btw, cannot even touch their precious holy book, we must wrap the book in towels to touch it, why are we treating these animals with any dignity at all in the first place?

These are the same religious fanatics that do not hesitate to cut off heads of innocent men and women; that send their children to act as homicide bombers, not suicide, homicide, get it straight.

I say wrap these animals in pigskins and slap them around, feed them pig all 3 meals, let them starve if they’re so damn holy.

I believe there is no way we can co-exist with Muslims, just look at how they behave, They beat there women, send their kids off to die, they are animals clear and simple.

! 5 people dead because of a rumor someone touched there precious Koran, What kind of sick mentality does that take to kill because of an unsubstantiated rumor?

These terror mongers laugh at our feeble attempts to treat them with any respect, as they do not have any respect for themselves or others.

These monsters do not want to co-exist with us; they want to kill us, period.

They think Americans are weak, I say show them our true strength, Kill em, kill em all till they stop this so called jihad, I got there Jihad right here. I spit on these animals and the liberals that support them by taking their case to courts.

Hunt these rag tag leaders down and try them on television, then pound nails into there hands and feet and let them starve to death, Just like we let an American woman starve to death not long ago.

Remember now how out of touch with reality these zelots are, they thought Death was the right sentence for the abu grahib incident.

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on May 18, 2005
there is only so much stupidity to go around doc and reiki and dabe are hogging much more than thier share. bahahahahhahahahaha


Can we add *clueless old liberal* to that short list?
on May 18, 2005
Reply By: little_whip Posted: Wednesday, May 18, 2005and please pardon the typos, it's a monte alban mescal night and i've had...uhmm... a few. lol.


spill one drop of that on the floor whip.... for me.. I thank you in advance.


If she spills one drop on the floor, I'm going to turn her in for alcohol abuse!
on May 18, 2005
damnable double posts!
on May 19, 2005
"I do not want to kill them all, keep a few in a zoo so children can SEE WHAT REAL MONSTERS ARE"

It's not the Muslims that bother me really, it's the Jews. I'd love to keep a few bearded Jews in London Zoo so polite English school children can see what real money grabbing devious monsters are. Jews aren't people after all are they; lets cage them and charge an admission fee.

What do you think Moderateman, cage the lot of them old boy? Not good Jews you understand, just the nasty ones. I'm not a bigot.


on May 19, 2005
Yeah, that's right, everyone was being butchered and oppressed and then suddenly America comes along and freedom is invented. Pull the other one you dummies, the country that gave us the KKK, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, and countless other examples of American COWARDICE.

The politically free country which gave us JFK, Nixon, Johnson and the Vietnam debacle.

The country which claims to be standing up for freedom around the world, which STILL supports and funds murderous demagogues. The country of the free, which wont allow free trade.


"And since when is it Americas responsibilitu to improve life every backwater third world camel jockey?"

This is probably the most moronic comment I have ever read. With power comes responsibilty, America cannot claim to be a beacon of freedom and enterprise when it jumps into bed with oil-soaked dictators and actively stifles world trade with it's ludicrous offerings of "aid". Aid will do nothing, give the world's poor a chance to have their own markets and trade themselves. Europe is making all the moves on that and all America can do is making piecemeal offers of aid. But what should we expect from a country that make unrealistic demands that Kofi Annan resign and believes that taking ten levels off the UN building in New York would be no great loss.

Poverty is a moral scar on our countries and few want to let that scar heal.

America topples a dictator in Iraq in order to bring about freedom. America supports a dictator in Uzbekistan who butchers several hundred of its own citizens simply for PROTESTING. A democratic right, presumably supported by America?

Where is the logic, where is the consistency with the spurious rhetoric about spreading freedom and democracy. How can America give hundreds of millions of dollars to the Uzbecks and still claim to support freedom. And still these people refuse to even consider that US foreign policy has anything to do with tapping a resource the US economy would grind to a halt without.

How about Georgia, a country America supported in it's quest for freedom. The reason they suppprted that is the reason that support a killer in Uzbekistan. It's about cheap gas and oil. Let me see a flag waver explain these paradoxes without looking like even more of a deranged freak.
on May 19, 2005
"These nations are sitting on scads of oil wealth, let them improve their own damn countries."

This made me laugh, this is exactly what the people of Uzbekistan are trying to do at the moment. But the dictator, with the backing of Washington and Moscow, is slaughtering them in the hundreds. I would have more respect for America if it was consistent. Withdraw support for the brutal despots and let these people have their countries and their wealth back. You cannot whine about Muslims turning to extremism while you prop up the regimes that are creating the conditions that make these people turn to extremism.

True freedom cannot come from an invasion, it can only come from the people of a nation. It has happened in a few countries, which has rightly been supported by America. But when the people of Uzbekistan try to do it, what do they get? London and Washington say they are "concerned" about the situation, like that will do anything!

Now that's true hypocrisy.
on May 19, 2005
73 by Sir Peter Maxwell (Anonymous user)
Thursday, May 19, 2005


do not want to kill them all, keep a few in a zoo so children can SEE WHAT REAL MONSTERS ARE"

It's not the Muslims that bother me really, it's the Jews. I'd love to keep a few bearded Jews in London Zoo so polite English school children can see what real money grabbing devious monsters are. Jews aren't people after all are they; lets cage them and charge an admission fee.

What do you think Moderateman, cage the lot of them old boy? Not good Jews you understand, just the nasty ones. I'm not a bigot.


petah, petah, petah... Show me where jews are going aorund and killing people in the name of their religion, and no the palistians do not count, after all they used teoors tactics and there leader was one of the top terrorist in the world for many years.
on May 19, 2005
These nations are sitting on scads of oil wealth, let them improve their own damn countries."

This made me laugh, this is exactly what the people of Uzbekistan are trying to do at the moment. But the dictator, with the backing of Washington and Moscow, is slaughtering them in the hundreds. I would have more respect for America if it was consistent. Withdraw support for the brutal despots and let these people have their countries and their wealth back. You cannot whine about Muslims turning to extremism while you prop up the regimes that are creating the conditions that make these people turn to extremism.

True freedom cannot come from an invasion, it can only come from the people of a nation. It has happened in a few countries, which has rightly been supported by America. But when the people of Uzbekistan try to do it, what do they get? London and Washington say they are "concerned" about the situation, like that will do anything!

Now that's true hypocrisy.


I happen to agree with this..
on May 19, 2005
How about Georgia, a country America supported in it's quest for freedom. The reason they suppprted that is the reason that support a killer in Uzbekistan. It's about cheap gas and oil. Let me see a flag waver explain these paradoxes without looking like even more of a deranged freak.


ah it's all about the oil arguement... nope that will just not fly here, try again another day, but you do win the booby prize, one all expense vacation to san quentan.
on May 19, 2005
"ah it's all about the oil arguement... nope that will just not fly here, try again another day"

Then why are oil companies making record profits, why is a new oil pipeline been set up in Georgia? The American economy relies on oil to survive, are you saying that US foreign policy has absolutelu NOTHING to do with oil. Don't be so naive, I supported the war in Iraq, but even I can admit that oil is the key factor when considering American activity in the middle east.

Anyone that says otherwise is just pulling the wool down.
on May 19, 2005
"Let me see a flag waver explain these paradoxes without looking like even more of a deranged freak."

You still cannot explain US foreign policy and convince anyone America is not interested in any other country's oil.

Explain US foreign policy in terms of freedom, it becomes illogical, explain it in terms of natural resources and access to them the pieces slot into place.
on May 19, 2005
Yeah, that's right, everyone was being butchered and oppressed and then suddenly America comes along and freedom is invented. Pull the other one you dummies, the country that gave us the KKK, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, and countless other examples of American COWARDICE.

The politically free country which gave us JFK, Nixon, Johnson and the Vietnam debacle.


You don't like it? You can leave at any time! I'll even help you pack.
on May 19, 2005
"You don't like it? You can leave at any time! I'll even help you pack."

Ha ha, I'm not American. (Thank god) they are up their own arses most of the time with all that God bless America crap.

The solution to ending extremism is to stop supporting leaders who oppress their own people, encourage trade and do everything to end poverty. The feeling of American double standards comes from Iraq/Uzbek situations. You will find that the biggest draw for young Muslims to terror is not a hatred of freedom, but a lack of hope. When all you see is war and death, you will turn to anyhting which offers hope.

Aslong as the American administration sees aggression as the best weapon, they will get nothing but aggression back. As we see in Georgia and other countries, they don't need an American war to topple their leaders!


on May 19, 2005
The solution to ending extremism is to stop supporting leaders who oppress their own people, encourage trade and do everything to end poverty.


These statements are contradictory. Encouraging trade and contributing aid to "end poverty" DOES support leaders who oppress their own people, as the poorest nations are by and large (guess what?) the most oppressive.

I have stated repeatedly, without ONCE being credibly refuted, that much foreign aid is misappropriated or misallocated, or simply rots in ports due to regulations and/or lack of bribe money for local officials. The corruption of the politicians in these countries IS the reason for their poverty; NOT US economic policy.
on May 19, 2005
"Their world aid contribution is a pittance compared to ours."

Aid is NOT the answer. Besides, for all your rhetoric, the aid that America gives is less than 1% of GDP. Hardly Christian is it?

"...sound pretty, but offer no real solutions. Ok, so let's stop supporting leaders who oppress their own. How do you suggest we do that, exactly? By economic sanctions? Those only hurt the poor, trust me, the tyrants still live in luxury as their citizens starve."

The only reason these dictators have the confidence to act in the way they do is they know that as long as they lay on their backs for the West they will be rewarded. I am not saying you can get rid of all odious dictators, but many, such as the Uzbecks (but there are countless others) act with the confidence that they know the West won't do anything to stop their oppression. Don't give them millions of dollars and let their people know you support them!

Regardless of what you say, poverty is the main cause for extremism for the world. Not US foreign policy, or religious struggle.

"These statements are contradictory. Encouraging trade and contributing aid to "end poverty" DOES support leaders who oppress their own people, as the poorest nations are by and large (guess what?) the most oppressive."

Another mindless statement, you have obviously believed the crap that is spurted to defend globalisation and general exploitation of poorer countries. Fair trade should be fairer and free trade should be freer.

Sometimes military action is neccessary. But as we have seen recently, more regimes can be toppled through people power than firepower. Any new government is more legitimate this way, as it has a mandate from the people. I would support America and Britain etc. if they actually said that they would support people living under dictatorships to rise up. As we see, when it conflicts with business interests all we can say is we are "concerned" about governments murdering their own people.

When you actually look at what is happening in the world, the slavish support of Israel and the cooperation with oil rich dictators all specious talk of "freedom" from Washington seems cynical almost satirical.

You believe every person deserves freedom, then prove it through actions not rhetorical speeches and back slapping across America saying 'look how great we are, God bless America'.


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