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Liberals just don't get it
Published on February 15, 2005 By Moderateman In Politics
I have been wondering what is it about my blog that seems to raise the ire of so many liberals.

I mean if you call me a racist, I care not one whit, because the truth is I am not one.

If you say I beat my wife, it bothers me not, why you ask? Because I don’t beat her.

Simple huh?

It seems to me when I post something about how whiney cry babyish you are, if the shoe doesn’t fit WHY are you responding in the negative?

Maybe on some level YOU are starting to see how YOU behave and me putting it out there for the world to see upsets your little feelings.

So when I post something that upsets you, stand back and LOOK AT YOURSELF, cause we all know that saying “truth hurts” huh?

Stop behaving like little girly men and I won’t have anything to blog about, simple huh? You can get rid of me just by simply stop being obstructionist people< rid yourself of this demon {me} by ridding yourselves of the demons within.

Face it you had your chance at changing America and all you did was weaken her.
Much as I loved bill Clinton, his weak ass foreign policy told the terrorist we were weak, and easy pickings for them.

Do you really think if we had a strong policy those little bearded men would have dared attack us?

When they bombed our embassies YOU did nothing, when they bombed the USS Cole, you did nothing except to embolden them to more and more destruction.

Now the enemy sees how you are at odds with My President, and are further empowered by your very words and behavior, they do not see anti war protesting as strength, the terrorist see it as WEAKNESS, why can’t you see it that way?

So when you see what someone here likes to call an “ad hominem” attack and it draws some blood, don’t blame me, blame your own behavior and attitude.

It’s kind of hard to make a point about what you consider MY bad or twisted views, when YOU resort to name calling on a PERSONAL level, while I just generalize. {Thank you to nj for pointing that out to me}, I have neither slandered nor libeled anyone here, just your party or political stances {as I see them}

SO if I hurt your little feeling, GET OVER IT! And get over my blog name too……….MODERATEMAN>>>




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on Feb 16, 2005
Reply By: shadesofgreyPosted: Wednesday, February 16, 2005I unerstand, though, that you can't see it that way, but that's how it is.Oh, the arrogance--the "I am right and you are just too dense to realize it." What an argument. I am sure that you have done extensive research of the thought process of terrorists and therefore are an expert and speak with authority when you tell me what they are thinking. If not, your opinion is the same as mine--an OPINION.


shades have you ever stopped to think that in the eyes of the vietnamese people long ago in a forgotten war,,, I might have looked at things thru what could be considered the "eyes of a terrorist" the kind that kill people, sow discontent, spread fear. hmmmmmmmmm????
on Feb 16, 2005
Fine. You do that. And when they come and kill you in your sleep, your family can bury you with your "peace now" sign and I'll send flowers to your funeral.


I'll take my chances of being killed in my sleep, but I refuse to live in fear or allow terrorists to alter the way that I live my life.
on Feb 16, 2005
will continue to honor the tradition of my country and voice my dissent when it occurs and you can continue to be afraid of terrorists.


good shades never stop. that's what being free is all about, just accept it has an adverse affect. ok?

I am not hardly afraid of terrorist, what are they going to do, kill a sick ol man, already tired. I have had my time in the sun, and the dark too, If my life would stop this war and the senseless destruction by religious maniacs and KEEP america safe , I would gladly lay my life down! would you?
on Feb 16, 2005
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Wednesday, February 16, 2005


Clinton Sucked as a foreign policy president. Pure and simple


altho I grit my teeth on any attack on my guy bill, I ahve to agree, sucked is far to kind a word. weak assed is what I said and it's what I mean.
on Feb 16, 2005
Reply By: shadesofgreyPosted: Wednesday, February 16, 2005Fine. You do that. And when they come and kill you in your sleep, your family can bury you with your "peace now" sign and I'll send flowers to your funeral.I'll take my chances of being killed in my sleep, but I refuse to live in fear or allow terrorists to alter the way that I live my life.


here! here! never surrender to fear.
on Feb 16, 2005
I don't fear the terrorists, either, because my country is doing what it can to make me and mine safe and keep us out of harm's way. For three years going on four, they've done that job admirably, even though the Left cries foul every time someone mentions the Patriot Act, and holds the Bush Administration in contempt for its efforts at Homeland security (if we were subject to repeated attacks, I'm sure they'd be bitching about that, too).

I do admire and even applaud Shades' fortitude in pursuing that system of belief, but you're right, Modman, when you say that it has a downside that the peaceniks just don't get.
on Feb 16, 2005
do admire and even applaud Shades' fortitude in pursuing that system of belief, but you're right, Modman, when you say that it has a downside that the peaceniks just don't get.


Thats all I want from this post. That they should see what their behavior reaps.
on Feb 16, 2005
I'm sorry, I want to respond but the page is all screwy and I don't have the patience to deal with it at the moment, so this will be brief...

just wanted them to see it from the TERRORIST point of view and accept responsibility for what their actions bring.


Terrorists are responsible for their own actions. I do not force them to kill or injure--no matter what I say or do, I do not have control over bin Laden and I am not responsible for what he does. If we want to argue this way, I could say that the burning of Beruit foreshadowed 9/11 and the US and Israeli governments should take responsibility for it. It is ludicris. Yes, the US government breeds resentment around the world; however, to say that resent is a justification for mass murder is beyond laughable. By the same token to say that my dissent against the government is aids the terrorists is laughable.

that needs a good horse whipping

and you wonder why I think you are full of hate. I will have my opinions, you have yours. I do not need to be horse whipped into agreement with you.

Let's see, NOrthern Ireland. Hmmm....that is a maybe

Clinton was critical to the Good Friday Agreement. He made a crucial call at the last minute before negotiations were finalized and sealed the deal. In addition, the negotiations would have gone no where if it weren't for George Mitchell. You can not deny a Clinton success here. The process was working through the end of the Clinton presidency. The fact that Bush did not engage the Troubles with the same vigor as Clinton did should not reflect on Clinton's foreign policy, but Bush's.

Like I said, I don't think Clinton was the best, but he was a far cry from "weak assed."

shades have you ever stopped to think that in the eyes of the vietnamese people long ago in a forgotten war,,, I might have looked at things thru what could be considered the "eyes of a terrorist" the kind that kill people, sow discontent, spread fear. hmmmmmmmmm????


Are you comparing the US Army to al Qaeda? I don't think that there is the same training behind a government army and a terrorist army--the US Army doesn't try to kill innocent civilians (the last time I checked). You will have many socialist-lefties loving your analogy and I am sure many members of the military would be disgusted.

I would gladly lay my life down! would you?


It depends on the conditions. Why die now to end a war if it will only start again tomorrow? I can do more good working for peace alive than dying for a five minute respite in war.
on Feb 16, 2005
Reply By: shadesofgreyPosted: Wednesday, February 16, 2005I'm sorry, I want to respond but the page is all screwy and I don't have the patience to deal with it at the moment, so this will be brief...just wanted them to see it from the TERRORIST point of view and accept responsibility for what their actions bring.Terrorists are responsible for their own actions. I do not force them to kill or injure--


Ok this is a prime example of why I harp on liberals.... avoidence of any real answere. just deflections. GOOD liberal non answere shades.
on Feb 16, 2005
Are you comparing the US Army to al Qaeda? I don't think that there is the same training behind a government army and a terrorist army--the US Army doesn't try to kill innocent civilians (the last time I checked). You will have many socialist-lefties loving your analogy and I am sure many members of the military would be disgusted.


no I am not comparing them to al qaeda... but get real. if you think the seals, force recon, green berets and delta force are not trained in a form of terrorism, your much more unconcious than I thought.
on Feb 16, 2005
and you wonder why I think you are full of hate. I will have my opinions, you have yours. I do not need to be horse whipped into agreement with you.


please feel free to think what you will while good men and women die to give you that right. and the horse whipping is to get you to think your actions thru... not to stop them or to think as I do.
on Feb 16, 2005
I would gladly lay my life down! would you?It depends on the conditions. Why die now to end a war if it will only start again tomorrow? I can do more good working for peace alive than dying for a five minute respite in war.


well of course you have conditions, all liberals love codicils, adendems, amendments. anything to stall AN ANSWERE of a simple question.
on Feb 16, 2005

Clinton was critical to the Good Friday Agreement. He made a crucial call at the last minute before negotiations were finalized and sealed the deal. In addition, the negotiations would have gone no where if it weren't for George Mitchell. You can not deny a Clinton success here. The process was working through the end of the Clinton presidency. The fact that Bush did not engage the Troubles with the same vigor as Clinton did should not reflect on Clinton's foreign policy, but Bush's.

Shades, first, like you told Moderateman, I will tell you.  You cant tell me what to believe.  So while you may disagree with my assessment of clinton, you cant tell me I can not deny a sucess there. I can.  YOu just dont agree with me.

Next, I gave him a maybe.  I did not say anything about Bush, so I dont know where you got that from.  My Maybe is from the knowledge that NI had already made termendous strides towards peace, and I question (but note I do not deny) whether they could have made it without Clinton or not.  That is why he gets a maybe.

And finally, I did not call him weak assed.  I said his foreign policy sucked.  And I would even give you a sucess or 2 that he had, but that woudl not negate the scores of failures, blown deals, double dealing and lost secrets that he oversaw.

I dont like the man personally, and I think he tainted the office of president with his lying and sexcapadaes.  But I never said he was not a bad domestic president.  On the contrary, I think he did a decent job there.  But he also was a lousy foreign president. He saw how Bush I lost the presidency for ignoring the domestic side, while earning many accolades as one of hte better foreign policy presidents.  He knee jerked 180 degrees from that.

on Feb 16, 2005
if you think the seals, force recon, green berets and delta force are not trained in a form of terrorism, your much more unconcious than I thought.


You've missed my point--which is merely an argument in semantics--the US army would likely say that it is trained in warfare, and combatting terrorism, not engaging in it.

GOOD liberal non answere shades.


well of course you have conditions, all liberals love codicils, adendems, amendments. anything to stall AN ANSWERE of a simple question.


Moderateman, I am done. I tried to engage you in a debate where I honestly answered your questions. You might not likely my answer, but that doesn't mean that I didn't answer them. No, I would not die tomorrow if I wasn't assured that the peace would be lasting--how is that not an answer.

You have convinced yourself that you are 100% right and do no wrong. On this one thread, posters have suggested that I should "die in my sleep with my peace sign," and be "horse whipped,"--but you say I'm the one who doesn't know how to engage a debate.

please feel free to think what you will while good men and women die to give you that right.


May I add that while I am happy that you served your country in Vietnam, do not for one minute think that you are the only person to make a sacrifice for this country. You don't know me from Adam, yet you assume that those men and women who are fighting aren't my family, my loved ones, my sacrifices as well. You are wrong. My father served in the US Army to guarantee that his children had a certain type of life--what a dishonor to him if I were to sit idly by, biting my lip, keeping quiet, and failing to acknowledge that our family's sacrifices were for nought because we were too scared to voice our opinions.
on Feb 16, 2005
You have convinced yourself that you are 100% right and do no wrong. On this one thread, posters have suggested that I should "die in my sleep with my peace sign," and be "horse whipped,"--but you say I'm the one who doesn't know how to engage a debate.please feel free to think what you will while good men and women die to give you that right.


let me see from that statement if I agree I am obnoxious, If I disagree I am being hardheaded, great painting me in a corner shades I applaud you.
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