Mexico Attempting to Set Arizona Policies

This is what illegal aliens bring America

Published on February 1, 2005 By Moderateman In Politics

The foreign Minister of Mexico says “ we will use ALL American court systems to overturn The state of Arizona’s Newly passed bill that will ask for proof of American citizenship before being allowed to vote.

Then goes on to say if the United States courts do not overturn this, we will ask the world court to.

Since when does the United States let other countries dictate American policy?

This must be spurred on by Hanoi johns “passing a global test” remark.

Mexico, which has the most illegal in America, wants to keep illegal voting in the hopes of upsetting American values.

Iraq understood that letting illegal vote was and is a BAD idea, which is why Iraq closed the borders during elections to keep a flood of illegals from voting.

I personally have NO problem with proving my citizenship before casting a vote, why should anyone else?? Maybe we should have the purple finger thing applied to keep Democrats from voting more than once too.

Comments (Page 2)

Moderateman

on Feb 01, 2005

Reply By: drmilerPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Reply #4 By: Moderateman - 2/1/2005 12:11:40 PMReply By: DaiwaPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Let them try.try they will, already the mexican gov. has asked German courts to think about getting involved. I say nukem, nukem all bwa ha ha ha ha ha eh eh eh eh cackle cackle.. {evil scientist laughter}So they think if "Germany" opens their mouth that the US is gonna cave in?

I do not think the united states will cave,,,, not as long Bush is President..

Moderateman

on Feb 01, 2005

Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005I think there are some potential concerns with AZ's law, but I fully support the intent of the law. My concerns revolve around the difficulty some folks may have of obtaining a birth certificate (one of the documents required). I think, however, that responsible groups working for voter registrations could spend some of their money to help with the process

do not care HOw they become legal... just do it..

Moderateman

on Feb 01, 2005

Reply By: Fair and BalancedPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Mexico is now going with the classic little kid routine."That's, that's not fair. You have to let me play with you (crying). You're mean I'm telling the UN! (Runs off)"Newsflash: They are ILLEGAL aliens. They should have no rights of legal US citizens such as voting

yep this is true but already citizen rights are being eroded, by allowing terrorist protection under the AMERICAN constitution.

Gideon MacLeish

on Feb 01, 2005

Moderate,

I have at a few times been in such a case where being forced to provide a birth certificate or a passport would have not been practical in time for the election. In both 1988 and 1992,had I been forced to provide either, lack of funds would have made it impossible (yes, there ARE folks who don't have $5-10 to spring for a birth certificate). In 1996,while I had a birth certificate at that time, if I didn't have it, I would have had to mail paymeny back to my home county and wait 4-6 weeks for it to arrive. While I lived in a state that didn't have a 30 day waiting period, had I been in one that did,it would have taken 8-10 weeks to become "legal" to vote...a long time for someone who's living basically hand to mouth to be preplanning.

My feeling is that it would not be unthinkable to combine the two: allow an individual to register, but not be certified, until the birth certificate arrives. Then assist them in getting their birth certificate (I do think a paperless transfer would be more efficient and far less costly).

But,in stating this,I will reiterate that I wholly support AZ's move. As a miner,I worked among illegals who controlled the union and endangered ALL of our lives because they deliberately kept the wages low enough to be unattractive to gringoes ($9 an hour, NO raises...unless EVERYONE'S wage went up! No matter how long you were there!)

thatoneguyinslc

on Feb 01, 2005

Well mod to answer your question...

If you are registered to vote it's easier to claim residency. Same thing with a drivers license. It is a loophole in federal law that needs to be shut.

Moderateman

on Feb 01, 2005

Reply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Well mod to answer your question...If you are registered to vote it's easier to claim residency. Same thing with a drivers license. It is a loophole in federal law that needs to be shut.

I see.... something needs to be done about that..

Moderateman

on Feb 01, 2005

Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Moderate,I have at a few times been in such a case where being forced to provide a birth certificate or a passport would have not been practical in time for the election. In both 1988 and 1992,had I been forced to provide either, lack of funds would have made it impossible (yes, there ARE folks who don't have $5-10 to spring for a birth certificate). In 1996,while I had a birth certificate at that time, if I didn't have it, I would have had to mail paymeny back to my home county and wait 4-6 weeks for it to arrive. While I lived in a state that didn't have a 30 day waiting period, had I been in one that did,it would have taken 8-10 weeks to become "legal" to vote...a long time for someone who's living basically hand to mouth to be preplanning.

I been there gid, {so broke a 5 was a ton of money} There just has to be some way of doing this a little cheaper or if someone can proove "need" done for free.

Dr Guy

on Feb 01, 2005

I been there gid, {so broke a 5 was a ton of money} There just has to be some way of doing this a little cheaper or if someone can proove "need" done for free.

Anyone not born with a silver spoon on their mouth has been there. Fortunately for me, that was 15 years ago the last time. But it was scary.

Moderateman

on Feb 01, 2005

Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005I been there gid, {so broke a 5 was a ton of money} There just has to be some way of doing this a little cheaper or if someone can proove "need" done for free.Anyone not born with a silver spoon on their mouth has been there. Fortunately for me, that was 15 years ago the last time. But it was scary.

I was homeless in 1986 after destroying my bizness and my marrige and my body.. Came a long way since then.

Gene Nash

on Feb 01, 2005

The state of Arizona’s Newly passed bill that will ask for proof of American citizenship before being allowed to vote.

I voted against it. It's poorly written and covers a lot more than just the voting issues.

That said, I'm seriously tired of the Mexican government. If only our government would grow a spine.

Moderateman

on Feb 01, 2005

Reply By: Gene NashPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005The state of Arizona’s Newly passed bill that will ask for proof of American citizenship before being allowed to vote.I voted against it. It's poorly written and covers a lot more than just the voting issues.That said, I'm seriously tired of the Mexican government. If only our government would grow a spine.

I must admit I do not know much about arizona politics, but what I said about illegals voting stands... no way, no how,

Dr Guy

on Feb 02, 2005

I voted against it. It's poorly written and covers a lot more than just the voting issues.

As a citizen of Arizona, that is your right, and if the majority had agreed with you, it would not have passed. That being said, it is not the right of any foreign government, or even the Feds to say you cannot do that.

Daiwa

on Feb 02, 2005

There are a few slightly fuzzy areas in the law that opponents tried to use as straw men - saying that EMS personnel wouldn't be able to assist the sick or injured without getting proof of citizenship first being one (not true) - but most of us saw through the BS & voted for it.

The quick & dirty is: in order for our tax dollars to be spent on someone's needs, or for someone to vote, the recipient or voter must be a legal resident; if our money is accidentally spent on someone who is not a legal resident, they'll get a bill. Far as a I know, there's nothing in the law that requires deportation on discovery, unfortunately.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Dr Guy

on Feb 02, 2005

The quick & dirty is: in order for our tax dollars to be spent on someone's needs, or for someone to vote, the recipient or voter must be a legal resident; if our money is accidentally spent on someone who is not a legal resident, they'll get a bill. Far as a I know, there's nothing in the law that requires deportation on discovery, unfortunately.

Guess that says it all. And since most of the illegals cannot pay, the state will! Fox, go get your pacifier!

paxx

on Feb 02, 2005

That is one issue I don't understand. I guess because I am not American and I don't face the daily reality of having hundreds (or is it thousands?) of illegal immigrants crossing the border DAILY.

I was recently surprised when I read something about allowing illegal aliens to work legally in California.... Wait a minute... are they illegal or are they not illegal? It may be my simplistic non-American understanding of things but... if they illegal, why would they have any rights at all? Heck why are they still there? Why are they not sent back home with a kick in the butt?

Man, I don't understand this issue at all...

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