What is Torture?

Published on January 9, 2005 By Moderateman In Politics

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torture[1,noun]torture[2,transitive verb]

Main Entry: 1tor·ture
Pronunciation: 'tor-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquEre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drAhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle
1 a : anguish of body or mind : AGONY b : something that causes agony or pain
2 : the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3 : distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument : STRAINING

now please do not make me define anguish and agony cause I will........

again I say for the dense..

Making a room 95 degrees is not TORTURE.... its damn uncomfortable.

Playing loud music (90 decibels} is not Torture is just mind numbing

Making a room cold 40 degrees is not TORTURE... it is very uncomfortable.

Making someone stand in place is NOT TORTURE.

Putting a blindfold on someones head is not torture... its scarey period.

I am tired of the left twisting my words so the outcome is as they choose../

for the fainthearted I will now list some torture beware your bleeding heart might rupture.

Slamming slivers of bamboo on fire under your toenails is torture

Pulling your tongue out and cutting it off is torture.... saddam did this on a constant basis.

Cutting someone hands off in stages from the fingers upwards is torture... saddam also did this.

Gassing someone with chemical agents is torture saddam did this also

Cutting off someones ears is torture saddam also did this.

Can any of you bleeders name one instance in THIS WAR where we did anything approaching what I said is torture??

This is why I changed parties.... this is why bleeders make me nuts... they want to compare the horror of abu graves to torture.. its not torture is misguided and criminal for sure... but it does not reach what torture is..

If you look at entry 3 you {the bleeders} will see what YOU DO IS TORTUREOUS ...

Comments (Page 9)

121

drmiler

on Jan 14, 2005

Reply #119 By: sandy2 - 1/14/2005 12:24:05 PM
International treaties should not have a bearing on a countries internal laws!

So what should they have an effect on?

The United States is one of the worst countries in this regard: It makes laws, but feels it has the right to break them. I would personally like to see some convictions in the Hauge for war crimes against the US soldiers who broke international law.

1.) Ain't happening!
2.) You seem to be overflowing with excrement!

122

sandy2

on Jan 14, 2005

1.) ALL accords were written in Sweden NOT the US! Hence the name *Geneva* accords.

First, you are either carless, dumb or uneducated.
Geneva is in Switzerland. Second, they were written not by switzerland but rather in switzerland by many countries, but mostly the USA.

123

drmiler

on Jan 14, 2005

Reply #122 By: sandy2 - 1/14/2005 12:33:06 PM
1.) ALL accords were written in Sweden NOT the US! Hence the name *Geneva* accords.

First, you are either carless, dumb or uneducated.

Careless, unlike yourself. And GET IT RIGHT! I never claimed they were written by anyone set of people only where. Just an FYI, while the US was involved in the accords we were NOT the main architect of the accords!

124

Moderateman

on Jan 14, 2005

I am sure you would jump with joy if a couple u.s. personal were put to death too... btw are you an american ?

125

Moderateman

on Jan 14, 2005

Reply #122 By: sandy2 - 1/14/2005 12:33:06 PM
1.) ALL accords were written in Sweden NOT the US! Hence the name *Geneva* accords.

First, you are either carless, dumb or uneducated.
Geneva is in Switzerland. Second, they were written not by switzerland but rather in switzerland by many countries, but mostly the USA.

now now!!! personal attacks are not allowed.

126

Solitair

on Jan 14, 2005

quote]then if the united states are viewed as such monsters

where did this come from? Did you see me claim the US is viewed as monsters? You are the one argueing that you should be allowed to practice torture on people because you see it as torture light. No one is saying the US is not a great country, just that it has serious problems in regard to human right abuse. The two are not mutually exclusive.

paul.

127

Solitair

on Jan 14, 2005

Drmiler,
lets look at one of the Human right treaties the US has actually ratified. The 1984 "Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment".

Article 1
1. For the purposes of this Convention, the term "torture" means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

Article 2
1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.

2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political in stability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.

Torture is illegal. The US has ratified treaties which makes it so. No amount of excuses changes this fact.

Paul.

128

drmiler

on Jan 14, 2005

Reply #127 By: Solitair - 1/14/2005 2:34:42 PM
Drmiler,
lets look at one of the Human right treaties the US has actually ratified. The 1984 "Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment".

Article 1
1. For the purposes of this Convention, the term "torture" means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

Article 2
1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.

2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political in stability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.

Torture is illegal. The US has ratified treaties which makes it so. No amount of excuses changes this fact.

Paul.

Yeah lets do. Your opinion or theirs?

129

Rightwinger

on Jan 14, 2005

what? and why? huh! explain
please

Screwed up and posted the right answer on the wrong thread, or vice-versa. Forgot where I was for a minute.
Duh. Sorry, my bad.

130

Moderateman

on Jan 14, 2005

Reply By: RightwingerPosted: Friday, January 14, 2005what? and why? huh! explain pleaseScrewed up and posted the right answer on the wrong thread, or vice-versa. Forgot where I was for a minute. Duh. Sorry, my bad.

ok I get it now.... be at peace

131

Moderateman

on Jan 14, 2005

orture is illegal. The US has ratified treaties which makes it so. No amount of excuses changes this fact.

and there it is........... the point of my post was......... IS IT TORTURE IN THE FIRST PLACE... REREAD THE POST..

132

Moderateman

on Jan 14, 2005

Reply By: SolitairPosted: Friday, January 14, 2005quote]then if the united states are viewed as such monsterswhere did this come from? Did you see me claim the US is viewed as monsters? You are the one argueing that you should be allowed to practice torture on people because you see it as torture light. No one is saying the US is not a great country, just that it has serious problems in regard to human right abuse. The two are not mutually exclusive.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO I dont see any of what I posted as TORTURE period....

133

cactoblasta

on Jan 14, 2005

ok then.. but I must ask this then. WHAT IF the terrorist blew up sydney..... I mean the whole city or let loose a biological weapon, what would you have you gov do ?

My government would largely be dead, so there's not a lot they could do really. The prevailing winds would send any fallout over Canberra so the capital would be lost as well. But what's the point of asking this question? There's no real advantage in striking Australia. Going for the US is a lot easier because their officials are more easily bribed and the ramifications of the attack would be far greater. Terrorists aren't stupid you know.

134

cactoblasta

on Jan 15, 2005

By the way, drmiler - if you're still interested in that information about the US and its approach to international treaties, all I need is some rough guidelines for the info you need and can check and I'll put it together for you. For this one time only I won't even charge a penny! You won't hear that from an occasional RA very often.

135

Solitair

on Jan 15, 2005

Moderateman,
look at article 1 of my post #127. It defines what is considered torture and have been agreed and ratified by the US. Most of the items you listed will inflict mental or physical suffering and hence are defined as torture. They don't have to inflict pain, just suffering. There are always those that will try to argue as to what is an acceptable level of suffering, but the fact is that it's wrong.
You may not like the fact that these acts are torture, but they are and so the US cannot practice them.

Paul.

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