Putting This war into Perspective

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Published on March 27, 2008 By Moderateman In War on Terror

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While I admit MOST life is precious, I keep hearing about the 4,000 plus deaths so far in the war against terror.

Here is a little perspective about wars America has engaged in:

The Revolutionary war: 4,435 Deaths

The Mexican war: 13,283 Deaths

The Civil war: 364,511 Deaths

World war one: 116,516 Deaths

World war two: 405,399 Deaths

The Korean war: 36,574 deaths

The Vietnam war" 58,209 deaths

Kind of put things into perspective huh folks.

A little debunking about Vietnam, many blacks love to shout from the rooftops how America put the blacks in the most dangerous positions, how America used them as fodder in the war because they were to poor to escape the draft, this has been taken as truth for many years because if your repeat a lie long enough soon it becomes some kind of "TRUTH. Well the real truth is in Vietnam there were 49,802 white deaths and 7,241 black deaths, this does not add up to putting blacks in more harms way does it? Just a matter of if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough it takes a life of its own.

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Moderateman

on Mar 28, 2008

Dr Guy

comment 3

I think your Civil war figure is a bit low. That was the Union side. Total was 618,000 (up to some estimates of 700,000).I was surprised how few died in the Revolutionary War and am shocked to see how many died in the Civil War.Put that in perspective. There were only a few million in the colonies during the revolutionary war (some estimates put it at 2.5 million). So 25000 was a large chunk. There were more during the civil war, but only about 31 million Americans. 6 or 7 hundred thousand is 2+% of that population. And that was almost entirely of the father age. It basically wiped out a generation of males.

I stand totally chagrined, the figure I quoted was for UNION FORCES ONLY. the nerve of the compiler to not add Confederate forces, as if they were not American also, damn them for not doing that! father killing son, brother, killing brother!

Moderateman

on Mar 28, 2008

SilentPoet

comment 12

Oh and Mod, I disagree, ALL life is precious. Personally I don't differentiate.

So invite a rapist, child molester, drug addict, murderer, necrophiliac, cannibal intro your home for dinner, after all, all life is precious! hypocrite!

SilentPoet

on Mar 29, 2008

"So invite a rapist, child molester, drug addict, murderer, necrophiliac, cannibal intro your home for dinner, after all, all life is precious! hypocrite!"

I said all life is precious, therefore I wouldn't take it, because all life is important, and has worth. This has nothing to do about friday evening social gatherings, so I'd appreciate it if you would stay on topic.

SilentPoet

on Mar 29, 2008

To add more:

You can hold all life as precious, cherish life, and dislike the act comitted, as I do. Doesn't mean I support their acts, in fact I detest the act of molestation/abusing of children, (especially them), rapist, murder, etc...

But, I recognize that they're still a life, they're still human, and while yes they broke the law, legal and otherwise - they are still human.

If we continue seeing people as nothing more than their deeds, even the most horrible ones, you forget that they're human. You lose compassion, and a sense of humanity. In the end, they're just turned into evil, horrible people. Where's the person that says, "Yes it was horrible what they did, but they're human still, and there's obviously something that caused the act. What is it?"

Also, like i said above, this isn't about a social gathering.

Moderateman

on Mar 29, 2008

SilentPoet

comment 18

"So invite a rapist, child molester, drug addict, murderer, necrophiliac, cannibal intro your home for dinner, after all, all life is precious! hypocrite!"I said all life is precious, therefore I wouldn't take it, because all life is important, and has worth. This has nothing to do about friday evening social gatherings, so I'd appreciate it if you would stay on topic.

Staying on topic coming from someone that almost never stays on topic, you have so much nerve it is a joke, the topic was deaths in war and comparing this war to other wars. so you stay on topic, I happen to believe that not all life is precious, people that blow up chil;dren, while they stay safe themself are scumbags and to me not worth spit.

Moderateman

on Mar 29, 2008

Benmeister

comment 8

This biggest problem with our actions in Iraq have been strategies, or lack thereof. Far fewer deaths would have resulted if there was better planning and execution.Long before Rumsfeld got canned, we had some success with "clear, hold, and build" -- our current strategy with the surge. Rice wanted to widen that strategy but Rumsfeld was too hard headed and only wanted to stay the course, which at the time consisted only of an exit strategy.And of course, much of the blame can be placed on the shoulders of L. Paul Bremmer and the dissolusion of the Iraqi army. Sending 100s of thousands of armed, unemployed men into the streets is obviously a recipe for disaster.

What you quoted was one of the biggest tarfu ever, Bush made one of the biggest mistakes ever and our troops paid for it in blood and are still are paying for it in blood.

Moderateman

on Mar 29, 2008

SilentPoet

comment 18

BTW NEVER make the mistake of telling me what to do in my own blog, here I do what I please, if you do not like it do not comment! next time you try to tell me how to conduct myself in my own blog you are gone. Got it? As it is I am one of a very few people that TOLERATE your presence Lucas.

SilentPoet

on Mar 29, 2008

[quote]Staying on topic coming from someone that almost never stays on topic, you have so much nerve it is a joke, the topic was deaths in war

and comparing this war to other wars. so you stay on topic, I happen to believe that not all life is precious, people that blow up chil;dren, while they stay safe themself are scumbags and to me not worth spit.

The Deaths of civilians because of the war, and in the war is certainly on topic. Not just that, but I said:

so I'd appreciate it if you would stay on topic.

SilentPoet

on Mar 29, 2008

Also, I apologize if i (obviously) made you mad, it wasn't my intention.

RonLugge

on Apr 15, 2008

SilentPoet

Oh and Mod, I disagree, ALL life is precious. Personally I don't differentiate.

Sorry, I can't agree with that. Life is precious, I will agree with. However, saying all life is precious is going to far. Child rapists, terrorists, torturers, and similar ilk debase the value of their own life with their actions untill its nil. I'm not going to run around murdering them myself -- that would be just as wrong as their own acts -- but neither am I going to cry crocodiile tears because they got "what was coming" to them in a legitimate manner.

Please note the legitimate; I'm not advocating whole sale executions of them, either. I'm simply saying that their own acts have removed them from the "precious" category. In essance, I'm ranting because that phrase is yet another of a million over simplifications that drive me insane.

In addition, please consider the following bit of philosophy. All life ends. Death is one of the very few true constants in life. Life, in fact, is based in death. When we die, bacteria will consume us, scavengers may very well ravage us. The food we eat is borne of that death; plants are fed by the rotted remains of other living things. No form of life escapes the simple constant that for us to live, others must die. Death, therefore, can not be considered evil. It simply is. What remains is how we die, and what we do before we die.

SilentPoet

on Apr 15, 2008

Think about this:

"Why do we kill people who kill people to show people that killing people is wrong?"

To me, to kill someone who has killed another, is just as wrong as the killing the person did themeslves. Killing is wrong no matter what, in my opinion.

In addition, please consider the following bit of philosophy. All life ends. Death is one of the very few true constants in life. Life, in fact, is based in death. When we die, bacteria will consume us, scavengers may very well ravage us. The food we eat is borne of that death; plants are fed by the rotted remains of other living things. No form of life escapes the simple constant that for us to live, others must die. Death, therefore, can not be considered evil. It simply is. What remains is how we die, and what we do before we die.

And I do, but who are we to, essentially, play God and take other's lives? And yes, death is a part of life, trust me I know that. I came close to dying multiple times so far, and I'm only twenty-one. What I don't see, is the point of unnecessary killing. Pointless killing.

Sorry, I can't agree with that. Life is precious, I will agree with. However, saying all life is precious is going to far. Child rapists, terrorists, torturers, and similar ilk debase the value of their own life with their actions untill its nil. I'm not going to run around murdering them myself -- that would be just as wrong as their own acts -- but neither am I going to cry crocodiile tears because they got "what was coming" to them in a legitimate manner.

The only tears that I would shed, would be that they "had" to die, instead of being swayed to change what they've done.

The_Politico

on Apr 16, 2008

which at the time consisted only of an exit strategy.

On what planet did Rumsfeld allegedly have an exit strategy?

Paladin77

on Apr 17, 2008

On what planet did Rumsfeld allegedly have an exit strategy?

Okay what is your strategy for victory?

"Why do we kill people who kill people to show people that killing people is wrong?"

To me, to kill someone who has killed another, is just as wrong as the killing the person did themeslves. Killing is wrong no matter what, in my opinion.

Sorry to say you are not right, we don’t kill people to show people that killing is wrong. We execute people who have proven that their continued existence on this planet and this country is a danger to the population. Think of it as a retroactive abortion.

It is not playing God. Society set a bunch of rules down and everyone knows them. If you violate those rules you will be punished by that society. I could understand if no one knew the punishment for murder was death but it is well publicized. You knew that you forfeit your life if you murder a human. What does it say when you know that you will be killed for murder and you do it anyway? The murderer is demonstrating that he as no respect for our people or our laws. Knowing what will happen they do it anyway says they are prepared to die for their crime. Think of it as suicide rather than government sanctioned killing.

Moderateman

on Apr 17, 2008

Ron Lugge

comment 25

SilentPoetOh and Mod, I disagree, ALL life is precious. Personally I don't differentiate.Sorry, I can't agree with that. Life is precious, I will agree with. However, saying all life is precious is going to far. Child rapists, terrorists, torturers, and similar ilk debase the value of their own life with their actions untill its nil. I'm not going to run around murdering them myself -- that would be just as wrong as their own acts -- but neither am I going to cry crocodiile tears because they got "what was coming" to them in a legitimate manner.Please note the legitimate; I'm not advocating whole sale executions of them, either. I'm simply saying that their own acts have removed them from the "precious" category. In essance, I'm ranting because that phrase is yet another of a million over simplifications that drive me insane.In addition, please consider the following bit of philosophy. All life ends. Death is one of the very few true constants in life. Life, in fact, is based in death. When we die, bacteria will consume us, scavengers may very well ravage us. The food we eat is borne of that death; plants are fed by the rotted remains of other living things. No form of life escapes the simple constant that for us to live, others must die. Death, therefore, can not be considered evil. It simply is. What remains is how we die, and what we do before we die.

Thank you! for understanding exactly the point I was trying to make to a bleeding heart.

Moderateman

on Apr 17, 2008

The_Politico

comment 27

which at the time consisted only of an exit strategy.On what planet did Rumsfeld allegedly have an exit strategy?

From which war college did you get your degree on how to wage war?

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