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More proof How badly the MSM wants failure in Iraq
Published on November 15, 2007 By Moderateman In War on Terror

Where have all the headlines about Iraq gone to? Now that the surge is working and deaths are down, car bombings down, Civilian deaths down, our troop deaths down to pre-war levels suddenly Iraq has become a tenth page story.

Just another show of how badly the MSM and the Liberal far left want defeat in Iraq and any show of winning there drives them to the point of insanity.

Not even the most crazed far left loons can spin this winning streak we are on {except colgangrene}. While Bush has mismanaged the war he has finally done something right with the advent of the surge, but to read the papers you would never know it! not a peep, no congratulations for him. This must be like a dagger in the heart of the left because as we know good news from Iraq is bad news for them politically.

Yet people still insist that there is not left slant to the news, I wonder how they can continue to insist this after shouting from the rooftops every blood filled event that happens, every gory detail, holding our brave men and women to standards that no other military in the world has to behave like, never giving our troops the benefit of the doubt in any type of bad behavior, painting our troops to be like the hoards of Mongols, never printing a retraction when they are wrong {the MSM} yet in success they tuck their tails between their legs and slink off into the night and suddenly they focus on much more important matters like what color dress Britney Spears is wearing or will O.J. Simpson go to trial, anything other than the success of the surge!!


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on Nov 19, 2007

Reply By: COL GenePosted: Sunday, November 18, 2007


The Job is DONE. Time to bring our troops home!!!!!

so we make the same mistake we made in Vietnam, bring the troops home short of totally calming things down and then watch as 2 and 1/2 million people get slaughtered like the north Vietnamese did to the south huh gene?

on Nov 19, 2007

Reply By: joe-pro-photographerPosted: Sunday, November 18, 2007
Hmmm. I think this is a little rosy, and Col Gene, you might just fall into the "Mission Accomplished" trap.

Why not dust off that banner? The problem is, there is a huge mess still in Iraq. Things are better, thank God, but who wants to take a stroll outside the Green Zone? And, one reason things are better is the Sunnis are coming on board, something that's been a real problem. It's the coming together, finally, of disparant groups in Iraq that is the real victory here, (and also the fragile trap) not necessarily the surge -- though I will give Bush credit for the surge. Further, I supported in when most liberal leaning people did not.

Me and Joe Lieberman. Sigh. Those were the good old days.

I love Joe, he might be the last Democrat with any brains in his head,. The Mission accomplished sign was not flown at GWB's request is was flown at the request of the Admiral in charge of the Carrier that was part of the fleet the Admiral oversaw.

on Nov 19, 2007

Reply By: Island DogPosted: Monday, November 19, 2007
The Job is DONE. Time to bring our troops home!!!!!


So you are acknowledging that Iraq has been a success?

Do you really expect gene to answer this dog?

on Nov 19, 2007
so we make the same mistake we made in Vietnam, bring the troops home short of totally calming things down and then watch as 2 and 1/2 million people get slaughtered like the north Vietnamese did to the south huh gene?


You forget, Gene would gladly sit with a bowl of popcorn and a beer, celebrating the slaughter of 2 1/2 million people, as long as he could Blame Bush.
on Nov 19, 2007

You forget, Gene would gladly sit with a bowl of popcorn and a beer, celebrating the slaughter of 2 1/2 million people, as long as he could Blame Bush.

It really is kind of sad to see the depths some people have sunk to.  Hate is like depression in one respect.  It sucks you in and drags you down until you dont know any other way of living.  and then it kills them.  Never knowing anything but the depths of their malady.

on Nov 20, 2007
I love Joe, he might be the last Democrat with any brains in his head,. The Mission accomplished sign was not flown at GWB's request is was flown at the request of the Admiral in charge of the Carrier that was part of the fleet the Admiral oversaw.


Well, of course he didn't say "I know, yee-all, let's have a big ass banner right over my head that saz 'mission accomplished!' and i'll fly in on a jet and stand right under it."

Oh, I'm going to come off as a prick on this. But one time I was covering Elaine Ciao (Sec. of Labor) and there was a sign on the stage she didn't like. Her minions went into over drive to get it down before the press got wind of it. The sign was something like, "driving the economy now for tomorrows future". To this day I don't know what her problem was -- but she was clear she had a problem. No politician stands under any sign (especially in a carefully crafted press event) they don't like. If you think they do, you are really underestimating the power of the press secretary.

But thanks for the brains comment. I think. Hmmmm. Yeah, thanks.

"BRAINS ACCOMPLISHED!"
on Nov 20, 2007
Oh, I have no doubt the sign was enlisted for double duty the second the handlers laid eyes on it. But I also noticed that it wasn't the press that informed us that Mission Accomplished referred to the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln and Carrier Group. They were too busy turning it into a piece for their own propaganda.
on Nov 20, 2007
I'll give you that. Still, it proves my point (and I think we are on the same page here): it's easy to think we're done with a job long before we are. And I am prone to suspect the violence numbers (as I was when they were bad). I think, no matter what your stance on whether we should have gone to war, we are stuck in Iraq until, at least, the situation is stable. At worse, until we build a nation (you see where that's gotten us in the past). Somewhere in the middle, I think, is when we can start to move out.

The Iraqis have to "step up". And perhaps, finally, they are. As one very republican senator put it recently in something I covered, "we are not the Iraqi's nanny". No, we are not. But like it or not, we are the current truant officer. (or, more accurately perhaps, Blackwater is...)
on Nov 20, 2007
True... I still say it's too bad we didn't back the Kurds and continue our mission through Baghdad back in 91. Just think, even if it lasted 10 years... Iraqis would be running their own government and our troops would either be home, or being offered Iraq as a station of choice option. ;~D
on Nov 20, 2007
No argument here. I was surprised when Bush I pulled out. However, at the time I was a bit more left wing and worked for an actual newspaper just out of college, so my record on this ain't stellar. However, I HAVE CHANGED MY OPINION BASED ON HISTORY AND NEW FACTS PRESENTED.
on Nov 20, 2007
I base my opinion on a set of orders to go into Southern Iraq to set up Logistical Base Romeo for the purpose of supporting the push into Baghdad. Of course, ever since I've been home I've heard that Prs. Bush never intended to topple the Hussein regime.

As I see it, the Coalition was Prs. Bush (Sr)'s greatest accomplishment, and biggest blunder. That, and the UN's "blessing".
on Nov 20, 2007
Yup. As far as Bush Sr.'s intentions, I think he listened to his political advisers and not his gut on leaving SH in power. It relates back to what I was writing before: having those missing facts changes the truth forever. It makes me feel just a little small.
Peace! To work I go....
on Nov 20, 2007
No, I don't blame Bush Sr. much for it all. He built up the coalition and made getting UN approval a priority. The fact is, toppling Hussein would have broken up the coalition and caused the UN to rescind its approval. I still think we should have done it, but when you live by diplomacy and UN "mother may I" games, you die by them also.
on Nov 21, 2007

Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Monday, November 19, 2007
so we make the same mistake we made in Vietnam, bring the troops home short of totally calming things down and then watch as 2 and 1/2 million people get slaughtered like the north Vietnamese did to the south huh gene?


You forget, Gene would gladly sit with a bowl of popcorn and a beer, celebrating the slaughter of 2 1/2 million people, as long as he could Blame Bush.

Sad how no one from the left seems to remember this sad and tragic fact of what happened when we pulled out early and then cut off all aid to the South.

on Nov 21, 2007

Reply By: Dr GuyPosted: Monday, November 19, 2007
You forget, Gene would gladly sit with a bowl of popcorn and a beer, celebrating the slaughter of 2 1/2 million people, as long as he could Blame Bush.

It really is kind of sad to see the depths some people have sunk to. Hate is like depression in one respect. It sucks you in and drags you down until you dont know any other way of living. and then it kills them. Never knowing anything but the depths of their malady.

Genes hatred over someone he does not even know is irrational to the point of true insanity. I pity the man.

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