Pope Meets Priest Accused of Anti-Jewish Remark

they were not kicked out because of the hardness of their heart. they were kicked out because of the jealousy of Sarah. she was afraid that Esau would try to take Isaacs heritage.

Esau was Jacobs twin,not Ishmeal..try again

to insist the jews are--or ever were--the chosen people in any but a figurative sense (based upon their own tribal legend; one no more provable than that of those japanese who determined their emperor--and themselves by extension--descended directly from the sun)ignores, excludes and denigrates all the other peoples of this world.

it's my understanding the various names used by stone-age groups when referring to themselves identify themselves as 'the human beings' as opposed to every other member of our species living at the time, all of whom were thus conveniently relegated to sub-human status. it's a short step from there to proclaim members of ones' extended tribal family chosen by god.

is it also bigoted and wrong to say the egyptians are no longer the chosen people of isis, osiris and horus?

meow

I am still here, still reading, and when I have something to contribute, I will.

this is a very very rare happening for me, I have only been here {300 plus} 3 times, and one of them was when I was in the hospital and colleen wrote an article saying so. the other one was a very controversial one called starve a liberal instead of Terry Shiavo, people were so polarized about that subject it just took off. MY personal benchmark for a good well received article is 100 I have been blessed to have hit that mark 19 times now. Am I a better writer than many here? hell no!!!! I am just a bit more in your face than others.

ModMan, Wow! 340 and counting! It's exciting to see this and be a part of it as well. What's the record on JU, do you know?

I think your success lies in the fact that you are able to pick good, yet controversial subjects...and those having to do with religion always seem to fit the bill.

You describe yourself as "in your face", yet I don't see that and I've read your other posts, just haven't commented. I think you are quite---well, "moderate".   By that I mean you seem to keep an even keel while sailing through hot topics.

Congratulations and keep up the good work.

I believe I have seen some with over a thousand replies.

as for me being moderate, well there are many here that would fight you to the death denying that I am moderate at all.

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You bring up some interesting points that bear further discussion.


With the exception of diet, (in that I eat pork, shelled seafood, etc.), I would say that I keep what Our Lord God wants me to keep of the Torah---by way of faithfully practicing Catholicism. I heed Mose's parting advice just before he died (Deut.3-34). Do you?

I try to obey the Ten Commandments (written upon my heart), repent and confess my sin if I fail. I haven't any piercings,cuttings or tatoos as per Leviticus 19:28.
I don't wear a yarmulke or a rabbinical prayer shawl, however, I do cover my head when I enter the Chruch sanctuary where the Tabernacle is kept and the lamp perpetually lit.

First, back to the Sabbath.

In both Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5, the Lord God says, "Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God."

As I've said before, the phraseology of the term "Sabbath" does not relate exclusively to the 7th day of a week, Saturday, is evident in the Pentateuch becasue many other sabbaths were enjoined beside the one that was selelcted by the early Israelites to follow after six days of labor.

I definitely follow the 3rd command of ALmighty God in that I do not do any servile labor on Sunday, the Lord's day as designated by the Apostles and given to me by Apostolic Tradition of the CC.

Furthermore, we have the prophecy of Osee, the prophet of the Kingdom of Israel, who foretold the end of the Jewish Sabbath, to go by as well. "ANd I (the Lord God) will cause all her (Israel's) mirth to cease, her solemnities, her new moons, her sabbaths, and all her festival times" 2:2. That's why Justin Marytr said that the Jewish Sabbath "was not in force before Moses, so it is no longer needed after the coming of Christ."

With the end of the commission of Judaism came a change, not with the Commandment, "Remember to keep the Sabbath-day holy", but in the ceremonial day, by the selection of Sunday to supercede the Saturday Sabbath of the Jews which was selected by the Jews for the Jews only.

The Christian Sabbath wasn't meant as the continuation of the Jewish Sabbath. Even though both sabbaths paid honor to the Lord GOd, there were prompted by different motives. The naturalism of the Jewish Sabbath in contrast with to the supernaturalism of the LOrd's Day of Christians is seen in the celebrations that usher them in.

The Jewish Sabbath is proclaimed with the Kiddush (sanctification). Wine and bread are blessed, one the symbol of joy, the other of plenty. After sipping the wine, the head of the house passes the wine to the participants of the meal that follows. The Lord's Day is celebrated in the Catholic CHruch "from the the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof" as it was celebrated by the Apostles and the early Christians in the catacombs, by the 'breaking of bread' later called the Holy Mass. The bread and wine, instead of being used as mere symbols of joy and plenty, are transsubstantiated, changed into the BOdy and Blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

It is offered to The Lord God as sacrifice and partaken of by the laity as the Sacrament of Christ's love. The Kiddush is a sabbatical service for the service for the spiritual man, to further his temporal existence, while the Holy Mass is a sacrificail service primarily to gain for man the eternal life Christ promised to those who partake of His BOdy and BLood. St.John 6.

The New Testament doesn't have the word, "SUnday", it has in it the equivalent, "The Lord's Day". While there is no positive announcement of a change of Sabbath-day, it does not lack evidence that the first Christians assembled on the first day of the week for their religious solemnities.

Acts 20:7 tells of the disciples coming together to "break bread", their most solemn ceremony on the first day of the week.
1Cor.16:1-2, tells specifically of a collection of alms on the first day of the week.
St.Jn.20:1, 14 and St.Luke 24:15, tell of Christ appearing to Mary Magdelan and St.Peter on the first day of the week.
St.Jn 20:26-29, tells of Christ appearing again on the first day of the week, when Thomas was present.
Acts 2:4, tells of the first day of the week, Pentecost day, around 33AD, when by the power of the Holy Spirit, Who descended upon the Apostles and other disciples, including the Blessed Mother Mary, 3000 Jews were brought to the Messias and His Church.

All through the Christian years, well before the days of Constantine, reaching back to the very Apostle's themselves, famous men, not all Christians, show by their writings that Sunday had superceded Saturday as the Sabbath day.

The Apostles to whom our Lord Jesus Christ gave the power to "bind" and "loose" met on the first day of the week, the Lord's Day to fulfill the requirements of the Third Commandment. They, who were the teaching body of the universal Church Christ established, the CC, exercised their infallible power of changing the seventh day sabbatical reckoning.

Sunday observances supplemented rather than supplanted Saturday observance of the Sabbath during the first days of the early Infant Church. This was due to nearly all the Christian converts were from biblical Judaism. Their inherited high regard for the ceremonies of the Old COvenant caused them to go so far as to hold , for a time, that the Gentile converts should be circumcised, insisting that they had to become Jews before they become Christians. It was the COuncil of Jerusalem 50AD, followed by the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, 70AD, which ended the priestly sacrificial services of the Jews, that caused the line of demarcation between the Jewish and Christian 7th day Sabbath which was blurred for a time, to be so clearly defined and universally accepted that it has hardly been questioned during the Christian ages (Christendom).

Colossians 2:16 sums up the lenghty answer to the Sabbath question. In it, Saint Paul warned the Colossians as he warns us today, to beware of the impostures who would withdraw them from Christ through a return to Jewish observances:

"Let no man judge you in meat and drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths."

Seriously, on over 1,000 replies?

Don't take me wrong, I'm not speaking of being 'moderate' in political terms. I meant 'moderate' as "even tempered" and open within reason to hearing all sides.

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You are absolutely correct, Catholicism does not promote eating Kosher.

Now, what's this you write about St.Peter? By saying this, it seems to me as that you have mis-interpreted it and therefoe missed the meaning. You are also wanting to read something into it that isn't there.

Remember, one of the Church's greatest saints is St.Paul, formerly known as Saul of Tarsus and a Pharisee, and he told the Colossians that there was no need to return to the Old Covenant Jewish ceremonial observances 2:16.


Acts 10: tells about the conversion of Cornelius a Gentile who worshipped the Lord God but was neither a Jew (not having been circumcised) nor a proselyte. Acts 10 is rich with meaning and goes to the very heart of the discussion.

Cornelius, a Roman centurian, a devout man, lived in Caesera Palestine. An angel appeared to him and told him to send 3 men who feared the Lord God to Joppa to meet with Simon Peter who would tell them what they must do.

St.Peter waiting for his mid-day meal went up to the house-top to pray and while rapt in intense prayer, he was shown a vision of heaven opened and the 4 corners of the the universe and there he saw all kinds of 4 footed animals, creeping things and birds. A voice from heaven said, "Kill and eat". Now, St.Peter knew the voice came from the Lord God and thought that He was putting him to a test to see whether he was faithful in the observance of the Mosaic Laws regarding eating unclean food. So St.Peter reacts like a good Jews who loves and observes divine Law he has learned from his youth, and says something like far be it from me to eat anything that is common or unclean (anything forbidden by the law)and remained greatly perplexed.

In order to remove all doubt from St.Peter's mind, the voice and vision happened 3 times saying, "that which God hath purified do not thou call common." "hath purified" means that Almighty God has purified all these things by the Blood of His Son.


While St.Peter was still perplexed what the vision signified, the Spirit of God told him that 3 men were coming and to doubt nothing for which He had sent them. It wasn't until the next day that he had set out for Caesarea with them and some of the disciples and met Cornelius who told of his vision and all that the angel had said, that St.Peter understood his own vision.


This vision at last signified to St. Peter that now he was to rise above 'legal' uncleanliness. All distinctions between clean and unclean food were removed under the New Covenant and likewise, the distinction between clean and unclean men, between Jew and Gentile, was to cease in the new kingdom of God.

After that, St.Peter announced the doctine of Jesus Christ to Cornelius and his family. V. 34-43 St.Peter said, "In every deed I perceive that God is not a respecter of persons (whether they be a descendant of Abraham or not). But in every nation he that feareth Him (and obeys the voice of his conscience), and worketh justice, is acceptable to Him. GOd sent the Word (the revelation of Christ), to the children of Israel, preaching peace by Christ (He is Lord of all)...And we are witnesses (what you know about Christ you know only by heresay, but we, the Apostles, know it by experience, having seen with our own eyes and heard with our ears all that occurred, Moreover, we are not only eye-witnesses, but we are official public witnesses, and sent by Christ to bear witness to the whole world.) .....To Him all the prophets give testimony, that by His Name all receive remission of sins who believe in Him."

Lulu you actually buy the load of @@@@ you are selling? Remember there are very learned Bible scholars here and what your a peddaling is what got the Follows of Yahshua killed when they rejected it.

Dietary is still for us,even Noah knew what he could eat and what he could not,Shem knew what he could eat and not eat,what part of remember do you not remember?

Also misquoting and taking verses out of context,shame,shame,also the Sabbath was never changed for if it was Yahshua would not have went right into the Temple after making this quote on the Sabbath about the Sabbath. Sun-day is the High Solarace of Lucifer,just like Easter and Mass of Christ/Horus/Tammauz/Lucifer all pagan and not holy. What you are saying is the unholy and profane is now holy and righteous,but Yahweh said I change not,so either the Almighty is a Liar or the who Christian System is a lie.
Pastor Terry

if you carry or use a cross you are no better than all those you have been accusing.

Who carries a cross? Why would I want to carry a talisman that belongs to Tammuaz?

Want to try Talmud next? I do not accept that manmade book either.

Hmmm lets see what can we get P.T. on since he does not eat unclean foods,keeps sabbath,keeps commandments,looks out for his brethern,believes Yahshua ben Joseph is the promised Kinsman Redeemer to restore what was lost back unto us who are lost,hey how about the feasts,wow he keeps those in rememberance also,past present,future,hmmmm what can we accuse him of now,keeping messiah on the cross like the christians do,well Messiah is Risen and is ascended at the Right hand of His Father Yah.

I do not worship Saints or Idols,I do not go to Mary to intercede for me because the church says she is the Mother of the Almighty,I go to Yahshua for he said to come to Him and Him alone to make intercession for us with the Father...

Well when you look at it lets attack Pastor Terry again on the degree thingy even though he repented maybe that will make us feel good again..

See people I have talked with many a preacher over 30+ yrs and every one of them defended the churches right to make changes to the Creators Rules and Regulations,I have had many call me a legalist,well I will follow Yahwehs rules and regulations so if that makes me a legalist so be it,would rather follow life then death,for I want to live to serve.

I know you do not know me but I wish you could walk alittle with me and you would have a better appreciation of life.
Pastor Terry

P.S.I am glad you feel accused,that should make you want to go reread the whole Bible from beginning to end and you will see no changes,just additions,you will see that the 613 was not all for a man to follow,you will learn Messiah made all of Torah personal...Go learn from the Master for the more you learn the more your preacher will tremble when he is ready to preach.
Pastor Terry