Spying on Americans, so What?

Published on May 31, 2006 By Moderateman In War on Terror

Simple question time.

Why do you care if the government is listening to your phone calls? I don't care at all. If they capture one terrorist or break up one attack on America then it's well worth it.

If you have something to hide from the government, I suggest you do not use the phone any longer. THE ENTIRE ARTICLE WRITTEN ABOVE THIS WAS GENERATED OUT OF FEAR AND A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT EXACTLY I WOULD BE GIVING UP. i WAS WRONG IN WRITING IT AND ASK SIMPLY FOR UNDERSTANDING THAT I TO DO SOME DUMB THINGS TIME TO TIME. ELIE

Comments (Page 3)

Moderateman

on Jun 01, 2006

Reply By: ChakgogkaPosted: Wednesday, May 31, 2006Although things got a bit heated here, isn't this thread a great ad for the whole idea of political blogging? Someone puts out an idea, people respond and the original poster has the guts to say, "hey, maybe I was wrong"...... usually when we put our ideas out there, it is supposed that this is our considered and final opinion on the matter which we will stubbornly defend to the death. For this reason, people who disagree feel the need to go in hard with their counter-argument, heat is generated, but sometimes only a little light...

I can be reasoned with chak, I cannot be beaten into submission.

foreverserenity

on Jun 01, 2006

I cannot be beaten into submission.

Pity to the one that tries,

!

My feelings on this is that I don't like the idea of the government just will nilly spying and listening on my conversations, especially since I will be talking to my friends about things that are very, very personal. I don't have anything to hide, but it does not make for a good thing if they are just randomly doing it behind my back as they were.

Now if they had said something about it before hand (which I know wouldn't make sense to most people because how else would they find what they're listening for) then it woudn't sound so shocking.

It does however suggests that I have no say on my own privacy and that doesn't make me a happy camper.

drmiler

on Jun 01, 2006

No need to state the obvious, drmiler! However, there is a good deal of controversy right now over the technical legality of the NSA wiretaps, if it were that cut and dried there wouldn't be this huge public discussion going on, right?

That's the whole point! There should be no discussion about it. The left are the ones pushing this and they conveniently seem to forget about the info I previously posted.

What pisses me off is that the "left" voted on this and passed it. Now they're trying to say GW shouldn't be doing it.

(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements-
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(

of the War Powers Resolution

In other words they very "specifically authorized" the president to use the war powers, but want to villify him when he does.

Moderateman

on Jun 01, 2006

Reply By: foreverserenityPosted: Thursday, June 01, 2006I cannot be beaten into submission.

don't have anything to hide, but it does not make for a good thing if they are just randomly doing it behind my back as they were.

I think they were not listening to people like us Donna, more like people already under suspicion of dealings with a terror organization.

It does however suggests that I have no say on my own privacy and that doesn't make me a happy camper

that is the point where I changed my mind, I do not want the government spying on me either, even with nothing to hide/

Moderateman

on Jun 01, 2006

Reply By: drmilerPosted: Thursday, June 01, 2006

What pisses me off is that the "left" voted on this and passed it. Now they're trying to say GW shouldn't be doing it.

this has become typical of the left, the left has conviently forgot they too said there were weapons of mass destruction In Iraq.

The forgot they too authorized the President to go to war if Iraq did not obey the 14 or so U.N. provisions.

The left forgot that the troops go where they are told to GO and have no say if they fight or not.

Gideon MacLeish

on Jun 01, 2006

Thanks for the retraction, MM. I do understand the tendency to be emotional as much as any. In fact, it is because of my work trying to help families whose Constitutional rights are routinely abridged by social workers claiming the same compelling overriding interest (the "best interests of the child" argument) that cause me to feel as passionately as I do about the issue.

Moderateman

on Jun 01, 2006

Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Thursday, June 01, 2006Thanks for the retraction, MM

it was whip reasoning with me that caused me to rethink this, NOTHING you did helped me see shit, all you did was piss me off and made me dig my heels in.
I know I am not very important in your scheme of things gid, BUT things will not begin to be right till you apologize to me for the scurillious claims you made about how I think and what I feel.

I black listed you because I did not want it to escalate , but naturally you had to write not one but 2 articles about it, then to top it off call me MARXIST man. You seem to have no trouble using your blacklist, as you did once to me, but you do seem to have a problem with me using mine against you.

Moderateman

on Jun 01, 2006

Reply By: little-whipPosted: Thursday, June 01, 2006And they also voted for the war, before they voted against it, hahahaha.

oh yeh how could I forget that?

Gideon MacLeish

on Jun 01, 2006

I know I am not very important in your scheme of things gid, BUT things will not begin to be right till you apologize to me for the scurillious claims you made about how I think and what I feel.

Have it your way.

Moderateman

on Jun 01, 2006

Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Thursday, June 01, 2006I know I am not very important in your scheme of things gid, BUT things will not begin to be right till you apologize to me for the scurrilous claims you made about how I think and what I feel.Have it your way.

NO i WILL NOT BE HAVING IT MY WAY, YOU WILL HAVE IT YOUR WAY, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, i DO WHEN IT'S MY FAULT. It's simple I asked for an apology, you denied me one, it's on you, not me.

Gideon MacLeish

on Jun 01, 2006

I denied you one because I won't issue an apology when I don't feel I have anything to apologize for, MM. I do not "owe" you jack, nor do you owe me anything.

If you'd rather stew on it, fine. That's your choice.

Moderateman

on Jun 01, 2006

Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Thursday, June 01, 2006NO i WILL NOT BE HAVING IT MY WAY, YOU WILL HAVE IT YOUR WAY, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, i DO WHEN IT'S MY FAULT. It's simple I asked for an apology, you denied me one, it's on you, not me.I denied you one because I won't issue an apology when I don't feel I have anything to apologize for, MM. I do not "owe" you jack, nor do you owe me anything. If you'd rather stew on it, fine. That's your choice.

I am hardly stewing gid you are about as important to my life as a zit on my ass, but it is nice to know you are so perfect you simply cannot percieve what an insult is to me. WELCOME BACK TO MY BLACKLIST where you will be taking up permanent residency, asshole.

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