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Where did all the spirit go?
Published on May 25, 2006 By Moderateman In War on Terror

After much thinking and reflecting Paying attention to our history The spirit that made America into the country that she is, is DEAD!

WE entered the WW1 at the very end, we really did not want to participate and only after we geared up and procrastinating for years we finally committed our country to go to war. WE take credit for winning WW! but the truth is the allies would have won the war without us.

WW2 was a conflict America wanted nothing to do with, we laid back and supplied the British with the means to wage war against Hitler, The simple truth is if Japan did not bomb pearl harbor we would have not went to war at all, and would have let Europe fall to the Germans, The way we handled WW1 shows a distinct lack of spine and heart. We knew what the Germans were doing and we stood by and did nothing. Although when we entered WW2 we did it all the way, the whole country got involved, Men enlisted at For the record paces not ever even approached in any war to follow.

After WW2 America prospered grew fat and weak, the spirit that was in our forefathers no no lived in the hearts of Americans.

Korea was a huge cluster frack, the first time the United Nations fought a war, as usual America was at the forefront of the war, we would have just rolled up North Korea and spit her out, but the Chinese were having none of that, We failed in that war and the first traces of how weak and useless the united nations appeared. For the first time America suffered a humiliating defeat.

WE made a mistake fighting the Vietnam war, our hearts were not in it at all, men deserted, men ran to foreign countries to avoid having to fight, the public turned on the troops and the troops responded by fragging officers, disobeying orders and showed a serious failing in America, she no longer had the will to fight a war. We suffered another defeat and ran home with our tails tucked between our legs.

Desert storm gave a little of our spine back, the war ended very quickly, which was good BECAUSE AS we see now, if the war does not end quickly, the people once again turn on the troops. WE have no stomach for a protracted fight.

This war such as it is shows once again, if the battle takes too long we wither and die., America was all proud about how quickly we rolled up Saddam, we walked proud and talked loud but as the casualties started to mount as will happen in a war, out from the woodwork crawled the cowards and now we once again See the PEOPLE of America have no will for a real battle that does not end quickly!
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on May 30, 2006
#45 by BakerStreet
Tue, May 30, 2006 2:43 PM


Eh, I'm no rombios fan, but do you have to be so two dimensional and jingoistic about it? The 'push further west' is one of our most shameful times in US history, and wouldn't have been accomplished without the abuse, subjugation and outright genocide of both indigenous and immigrant peoples alike.


many things we did was shameful baker, but those were individual acts, that does not take away from the courage the people showed taming the west.
on May 30, 2006
don't mind pride, MM, but the kind of pride I see around here these days isn't what *I* call 'taking responsibility'. It is deny and excuse everything and call people names while you do it. There was a time that the opinions on the right were filled-out and well considered, but around here now it is like listening to the average lowbrow politics radio show...


well baker I was the first to admit there is much I do not know, but I still have an opinion. I am sorry I do not meet up to your expectations and cannot debate things they way you want them to be debated not all of us uneducated louts are up to your superior standards of excellence Nor are we as well informed or eloquent as you are. Please accept my humble apologies for wasting your time writing such trite articles.
on May 30, 2006
I commented on this article favorably. I wasn't addressing this article in the comment above, rather the drum-thumping, jingoistic, self-defeating way you dismiss people's arguments and the people themselves lately. Rombios is ignorable, don't get me wrong, but if you want to persuade, you deal with arguments, you don't just dismiss them with a cliche' and wait for the 'hell yeah' from the usual peanut gallery.

You guys have become cock of the walk around here with most of your opponents leaving or getting banned. It hasn't help the quality of your work a bit. You can act like I am insulting you intelligence or knowledge, but you know as well as I do that I have applauded you many times. The right-wing faction at JU has just decided shouting people down is all the effort that is needed.
on May 30, 2006
#48 by BakerStreet
Tue, May 30, 2006 3:05 PM


You guys have become cock of the walk around here with most of your opponents leaving or getting banned. It hasn't help the quality of your work a bit. You can act like I am insulting you intelligence or knowledge, but you know as well as I do that I have applauded you many times. The right-wing faction at JU has just decided shouting people down is all the effort that is needed.


I believe that I encourage debate baker, at least I thought I did, the ones I personally shout down are the ones that seem totally unreasonable to me. Like gene for instance.

Maybe you could help me by pointing out when I just shout someone down that has presented a reasonable argument.

I am sorry that I misinterpreted what you meant.
on May 30, 2006
Oh, Americans have always had the skill and brains for peace.

Most of what America does is peace, not war.

The most obvious example, though, is the Space Race of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s.

As Kennedy put it:

"We choose to go to the moon... because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills..."

That's what we got, instead of a major world war against the Soviet Union: the Cold War, the proxy wars in Southeast Asia and South America, and as the primary focus of our respective military-industrial complexes, a multi-billion dollar scientific and exploration contest.

Give me the Apollo Project over nuclear apocalypse any day.

And speaking of not having stomach for something, how shameful is it that we no longer have the stomach for resource-intensive and risky space exploration?
on May 30, 2006
#50 by stutefish
Tue, May 30, 2006 3:37 PM


Most of what America does is peace, not war.


most PEOPLE want peace not war.

As Kennedy put it:

"We choose to go to the moon... because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills..."

That's what we got, instead of a major world war against the Soviet Union: the Cold War, the proxy wars in Southeast Asia and South America,


untold billions spent on something that never happened {war with Russia} and tens of thousands of the cream of American youth, dead, maimed, broken minds, for what? so The rich could get richer at the expense of our children.

And speaking of not having stomach for something, how shameful is it that we no longer have the stomach for resource-intensive and risky space exploration?


because it is more important for right now to control the terrorists, of indeed they can be controlled.

WE NEED leaders with vision, someone that will work for the betterment of all Americans and by extension the world. End hunger, war and disease, then we could accomplish so much more as a peoples.
on May 30, 2006
Reply By: rombios(Anonymous User)Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2006


Your ILK would be at home in Hitlers Germany ... the sheeple of ANIMAL FARM


Now that is a good arguement for a JEW, call him a Nazi... you have now been deprived from commenting on my blogs. unless you get a registered name, and even then I will just blacklist you. BUT I am sure in your world where ever that is, being called a buttface is the equal of calling a JEW A Nazi.


buuuhhhh bye!
on May 30, 2006
did lucas, I must have forgot to lower the lid on the outhouse crapper and he ascaped!


Well...It was one of those questions that really needed no answer, but hey...*shrugs*

Give me the Apollo Project over nuclear apocalypse any day


But the latter is *SOOO* much fun! *rolls eyes*

~L

"Do push the red button titled: NUKE 'EM"

on May 30, 2006
"Do push the red button titled: NUKE 'EM"


Don't "ever" push the red won!
on May 31, 2006
The most obvious example, though, is the Space Race of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s


making peace didn't have much to do with what began at the end of wwii as a race between the us and the ussr to see which side could grab up and instantly rehabilitate the most nazi scientists. that would be the same nazi scientists who'd spent the war targetomg london with v1 & v2 rockets. instead of being tried for war crimes, they were rewarded by their new bosses both sides for reasons having nothing to do with advancing technology for peaceful extraterrestial adventures. ('space race' is an adaptation of 'arms race' no?)

That's what we got, instead of a major world war against the Soviet Union: the Cold War, the proxy wars in Southeast Asia and South America, and as the primary focus of our respective military-industrial complexes, a multi-billion dollar scientific and exploration contest.


as much as i wish the kennedy/johnson apollo project really was the incredibly noble effort 50 years of hardworking disneyites would have us believe, it was always about strategic advantage.

kennedy was a bit more candid in a taped conversation with his nasa director:

"Everything we do ought to really be tied in to getting on to the moon ahead of the Russians... otherwise we shouldn't be spending that kind of money, because I'm not interested in space... The only justification (for the cost) is because we hope to beat the USSR to demonstrate that instead of being behind by a couple of years, by God, we passed them"

passing or being behind the ussr had nothing to do with healthy competition nor ensuring the moon remained free.

we didn't wanna be spied upon nor the target of some space-based atomic attack.

amazingly, there was short moment in time when both sides tentatively began cooperating in space but reagan's sdi delusion brought that to a quick halt.

how shameful is it that we no longer have the stomach for resource-intensive and risky space exploration?


stomach...or wallet?
on May 31, 2006
Don't "ever" push the red won!


on May 31, 2006

i'm having a difficult time deciding which is more disturbing: your apparent lack of historical perspective or the patent nonsense you're trying to palm off as fact.

prior to development, implementation and--one might reasonably argue--refinement of both electronic communication and image capturing technology, journalists and town criers (the only media available) were lucky if their war reports were made public prior to conclusion of fighting.

I suggest you take a history lesson, as it is apparent that your accusations are best fitting for your own myopia, not my statement.

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