America has problems, but America is NOT THE PROBLEM!~
Published on May 18, 2006 By Moderateman In US Domestic
We the people that are citizens of the United States have declared that we have the following rights.

1. The right to not spend our tax dollars supporting people that have broken the law to come to America ILLEGALLY.

2. The right to have English as our national language.

3. The right to Protect ourselves from criminals with no legal reprisal.

4.The right to vote in new amendments without some liberal judge over turning the will of the people.

5. The right to defend out borders without a foreign power interfering.

6. The right to VOTE on if we send our tax dollars overseas to help countries that never appreciate it.

7. The right to recall any politician from any state that fails in his duty: example Drunken Ted Kennedy.

8. The right to worship or not worship God in public if we so choose.

9.The right to freedom from government interference in our private lives.

10.The right to not to have to support lazy bums that refuse to work for a living.
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on May 18, 2006
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa061201a.htm

this was overturned by the sumpemes, but the school at first denied them.

Prayer in Schools? Only for Muslims
7 September 2005 @ 3:14PM
Everybody knows that prayer isn't allowed in school--for Christians. But when the multicultural left goes against the atheist left, things get interesting. Perhaps because Islam has no connection to those racist dead white male oppressors who founded this country, the same standards that keep Christian prayer out of school apparently don't apply to Islamic prayer:
on May 18, 2006
"Actually, that is already a right. Once the process of amending the constitution is followed, the courts can only interpret the words. They cannot overturn it."


(Link)

Stutefish: I hate the way the courts are used more than anyone, but saying that the legislature should be able to avoid checks and balances just by making what they want an amendment is abusive, too. MM would most certainly be expecting the courts to intervene if there were an amendment banning public displays of religious beliefs fast-tracked to pass.

What this perspective relies on is a reasonable population that agrees with you at least loosely. What you have to consider, though, is what is going to be done with these tools you are proposing in 50 years when the population is very different. How would it feel to see your 'no touching amendments' used to inhibit freedom, and the courts unable to touch it because of your edict?

I think they need to butt out more than they do, and I think we'd be better off if people didn't just invent rights out of thin air. That works both ways, though, and no one side is able to deem what is fit and what isn't.
on May 18, 2006
That's different, MM. THat's after school, not recess. When they single out Christians as they only group that CAN'T meet then they are discriminating against them. Recess is a totally different thing. Kids are forced to go to recess. No one is forced to get in their car and go to school after hours. The ability of abuse is too high when you have a captive audience.

"Everybody knows that prayer isn't allowed in school--for Christians. But when the multicultural left goes against the atheist left, things get interesting. Perhaps because Islam has no connection to those racist dead white male oppressors who founded this country, the same standards that keep Christian prayer out of school apparently don't apply to Islamic prayer:"


Who said Christians can't pray in school? Actually, Christians have more of an ability to pray in school, since there is no physical practice required for them to pray, like kneeling or facing Mecca.
on May 18, 2006
is there an actual case of someone suing a homeowner because they broke in and cut themselves? i doubt it...but even if there is ONE case,,,law and policy should not be a reaction to an anomoly.

plus,,,if there was a case where someone had the balls to do that, did they win? were they awarded anything? was that appealed? was the charge of breaking and entering still enforced?

examining all the facts and not just throwing out unsupported rhetoric and hyperbole is my perspective.
on May 18, 2006
#35 by little-whip
Thursday, May 18, 2006


is just too tired and preoccupied with personal issues at the moment to engage, but wanted to say hello, i was here, and i am following the debate~


could you use a friendly voice?
on May 18, 2006
SC: There have been cases where people were arrested because traps they set to catch burglers were successful. There was a case in florida where a store owner set up a metal grate to catch people coming in a door or window, and then electrified the grate. It killed the burgler, and the store owner was arrested for murder. Dunno what he ended up getting.

The fact is breaking and entering isn't a crime that merits a death sentence, neither is tresspassing. If the owner had been there and felt threatened it would have made sense to use deadly force, but that wasn't the circumstance.
on May 18, 2006
34 by Sean Conners, a.k.a. SConn1
Thursday, May 18, 2006


is there an actual case of someone suing a homeowner because they broke in and cut themselves? i doubt it...but even if there is ONE case,,,law and policy should not be a reaction to an anomoly.


yes, many of them.

plus,,,if there was a case where someone had the balls to do that, did they win? were they awarded anything? was that appealed? was the charge of breaking and entering still enforced?


yes they won WHILE in prison for the original crime.
on May 18, 2006
33 by BakerStreet
Thursday, May 18, 2006


Who said Christians can't pray in school? Actually, Christians have more of an ability to pray in school, since there is no physical practice required for them to pray, like kneeling or facing Mecca.


yes they can pray as Individuals, not in a group. Some schools have set aside a room for Muslims to pray while in school so they do not mis their 5 prayers a day.
on May 18, 2006
MM: i was looking for some details on a case or cases....not just more smoke....if you can provide,,,please do.


a link or case / docket # will do i believe,,,i can do my own research.
on May 18, 2006
They might set aside a private place for Muslims to kneel and face Mecca as they pray, but I doubt seriously that it is any kind of organized service. Are Christians required to kneel? Sounds kind of like someone who can walk being upset because the handicapped get a special ramp. If you are required to kneel maybe they'd make an allowance for you, too.

Granted, if you can find one where organized prayer for Muslims is allowed but not for Christians, post a link. Doubt you'll find it, though. It wouldn't excuse organized prayer for Christians, though, it would just point out where Muslims were abusing the system. Two abuses wouldn't make it right.
on May 18, 2006
40 by Sean Conners, a.k.a. SConn1
Thursday, May 18, 2006


not just more smoke


I would have to do the same thing you would have to do, I just remember reading about such things and I would have to start a search. You might find something about a new york taxi driver, that chased down a purse snatcher and pinned him to a wall with his cab, he did not injure the criminal but the criminal sued and won.
on May 18, 2006
#41 by BakerStreet
Thursday, May 18, 2006


Granted, if you can find one where organized prayer for Muslims is allowed but not for Christians, post a link. Doubt you'll find it, though. It wouldn't excuse organized prayer for Christians, though, it would just point out where Muslims were abusing the system. Two abuses wouldn't make it right.


I will look into this further, but baker you know how christians are being messed with and how the Muslims get away with things the christians don't.
on May 18, 2006
i asked because i was having trouble finding any actual instances that you claim. if you can help, thanks in advance,,,,if not, well,,,
on May 18, 2006
http://starbulletin.com/98/02/11/editorial/chang.html

here you go, I found it by typing in "burgler sues homeowner and wins
on May 18, 2006
Baker, you're not paying attention.

The 3/4ths of all State legislatures must approve the Amendment. And then the Federal legislature must approve the amendment by a supermajority.

Please explain to me how that could come about without overwhelming public support, nationwide.
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